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Spiderwoman123 · 03/12/2025 19:21

6 year old ASD son. He is currently in process of EHCP application. He struggles socially, has no friends, has weird things about food

H has always said im too soft. Letting him have pudding when hes only eaten cucumber. That kind of thing. H gets v frustrated at DS not eating as H is the house chef really. H always been pretty resistant to adapting parenting but accepts diagnosis and is kind and loving but can also be v inflexible and quick to anger.H much prefers younger DS (none of same challenges). H can get pretty grumpy

Right. So dinner time. DS refusing to eat chicken as he says different to normal stuff. H getting wound up. Me trying to reduce tension. DS says "stop looking at me" as H staring at him. H looks mad. DS getting mad too. Tension rising and both sniping at each other. DS goes to slap H. Its pretty half hearted. DS used to hit a lot when meltdown and we have worked on it a lot together but it still happens. DS barely touches H. H says this is because he moved out the way.

H in response raises his hand to hit DS. I think. Stops himself and then picks up DS chair off the ground and tips it over so that DS falls onto hard kitchen floor. Not from some great height but he definitely picked up the chair and tipped it fully so DS (who was curled up on chair crying) onto floor. Pur kitchen has a fake concrete floor thing

DS bawling. H saying he didn't mean to but he wanted DS to leave room. H saying im overreacting and started blaming me for my shitty parenting!

Currently putting two v upset boys to bed. I think it's fucking horrendous. H thinks DS went to hit him and H was just getting him to leave the room

Pls tell me what to do

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thepariscrimefiles · 04/12/2025 18:38

Megifer · 04/12/2025 13:15

I cant get over this alleged charity suggesting lack of a loving relationship may have caused this amd they are playing at armchair psychology when a child's safety is at risk. It sounds like something Dear Deidre would come out with.

I wonder if it was one of those Christian charities with an agenda of upholding 'family values', where the father is the head of the family whose needs must come first. I can't imagine that a charity that puts the welfare of children front and centre of its mission would be more worried about OP not sharing a bed with her husband than her husband throwing his 6-year old child onto a hard concrete floor.

Differentforgirls · 04/12/2025 18:38

NoisyViewer · 04/12/2025 15:59

Respect. There’s no respect either way, she undermines him & he doesn’t help with added responsibility of having a ND kid. You don’t have to lose your temper over a chicken nugget. However, you don’t have to reward not eating dinner with a pudding either.

I did it. My youngest would often say "mum, can I have the gateau before my chicken? I would say "aye ok, as long as you eat your chicken". Then give him it. Sometimes he would then pick up a potato and DIP it in the cream in his gateau plate 😬, then put the pudding aside, eat his dinner, then go back to his pudding. This complete control over what children eat is how so many adults have unhealthy relationships with food.

possomblossom · 04/12/2025 18:44

Helpfullilly · 04/12/2025 17:59

Hello, I don’t normally post but I have professional experience supporting parents with ND kids as well as my own personal life experience being ND and growing up in an abusive household.

I think people are reacting in very different ways because it’s the first known incident of violence and it’s not abusive in the stereotypical sense most people usually think of, like closed fist hitting, even if everyone agrees it was wrong. It’s tipping off an object and people may imagine it with different levels of risk or harm for your son. Most parents have lost their tempers at some point and reacted in ways they regret, so it’s also easy to project that onto your H. We don’t know the pattern of past behaviour and none of us know you, so it is also easy for people to fill in the gaps in the narrative given with their own bias or life experiences: you’re a weaker parent and it’s an ND child with no boundaries, dad is ND, dad isn’t, dad is abusive and even worse behind your back, it’s a dad who has made a mistake due to overwhelm, he does everything, no, you do…

I’ve seen all those versions of this sort of story, and bits of them in combination, and in all instances for me this would be a safeguarding referral, because there are warning signs here of abuse. Parents who are abusive usually aren’t abusive all the time, they can have good traits, understandable reasons to react in the wrong ways and may not mean to be abusive, some may need support themselves to better cope.

However, you cannot make your H change or take responsibility if he doesn’t want to and sees no problem with himself or his actions.

You can only control your own reaction and decisions in response to him and his behaviour.

With my own dad, he wasn’t often violent. He tended towards emotional abuse and what is now called coercive control, which made it difficult for my mum to realise he was abusive. It wasn't until things had escalated and she left him when I was an adult, and had to get the police and women aid involved, that she had it explained to her he was abusing us.

He'd have done this with the chair, and would do things like shout for hours at us and mum, including for issues related to my learning disability. It was a high conflict, high stress environment, and I knew they weren't happy together. He'd do things like threaten me with knives for not eating my food. He said that was okay as he wouldn't really cut me and mum was a soft touch... it was abuse. I was scared of him and knew he'd eventually hurt me in some way if I didn't do what he wanted even over unimportant stuff. But it was never his fault and he'd try to turn it into a joke and to get me to say it was okay if he was challenged by another adult. If you only see the one off incident, it's easy to think maybe it's not so bad even if not ideal. His undiagnosed ND issues were a contributing reason but not an excuse for this, and made him vulnerable, so my mum felt sorry for him. He was often under employed and at times easy to take advantage of, while she was a higher earner, better with money, plus doing most child care and all the research and fighting for me with my ND. He’s not an evil man, and he acted from his own trauma, upbring and lack of past support. However, his mix of denial, lack of self awareness, low empathy, stubbornness and black and white thinking, plus unwillingness to compromise, meant he was never going to change and was a danger to us and my mum. She would often say he’s not bad all the time. He could be funny, generous and kind, and if we lived by his rules, appeasing his needs, views and anxieties, things were mostly okay. But that’s no way to live, and it damaged all our mental health. It was harmful for him, as well.

ND men like this potentially aren't unusual and it's possibly part of why ND kids are at much greater risk of abuse. They can have a parent who is undiagnosed with poor coping strategies yet in denial, inflexible and unwilling to change, with poor emotional and impulse control, plus having an ND child is just harder and causes extra stress. - it's not the ND causing the abuse and most ND people aren't abusive, but personality, up bringing, a sense of stigma related to being ND, unhealthy coping strategies and past lack of proper support, can contribute to the risk of parents acting in abusive ways.

Only you can say if your husband sounds more like my dad or more like a normally good parent who might be open to change, but having a bad day, and needing support.

Either way, I think it's good you've documented this and I'd encourage you to document and report any further incidents, because either it could lead to him being forced to take support, or if you separate, result in less time for your children alone with him. But again, you cannot make him change or be a better parent. There are no magic words to fix him, you can provided opportunities but ultimately this is his responsibility to fix.

If he doesn't change, what are you going to do? That you can plan for and control.

@helpfullilly I think this is a wonderful and quite moving contribution. You are clearly both highly intelligent and highly empathetic. @Spiderwoman123 I strongly recommend that you read and absorb the points made in this post. You are in a terrible situation , but I feel that you still have the ability to be clear-sighted about what you need to do. Your husband is exercising coercive control because he cannot admit that he feels that he has 'lost control' in his family. He cannot admit that what he did is very wrong because it will destroy his self-image. But he will have to get past that if he is to maintain any semblance of family life, either as one unit, or in a co-parenting scenario. I wish you strength and send you (((hugs))) 💐

NoisyViewer · 04/12/2025 18:45

Differentforgirls · 04/12/2025 18:38

I did it. My youngest would often say "mum, can I have the gateau before my chicken? I would say "aye ok, as long as you eat your chicken". Then give him it. Sometimes he would then pick up a potato and DIP it in the cream in his gateau plate 😬, then put the pudding aside, eat his dinner, then go back to his pudding. This complete control over what children eat is how so many adults have unhealthy relationships with food.

I think your child already had a healthy attitude to food. My son could eat 2 dinners & he can even eat things he obviously doesn’t like. He can have biscuits before dinner & still eat all that’s in front of him. My daughter that wouldn’t be an option. The pudding before dinner would mean she’d have just eaten crap for her main meal. She hasn’t got a big appetite. There is a rise in gastro conditions & that’s down to processed foods. Prioritising those foods isn’t encouraging a healthy relationship with it.

Imdunfer · 04/12/2025 18:50

CarolHolly · 04/12/2025 18:22

I know. The father could have seriously hurt the child and he would have been criminally responsible.

So I'm confused why you mentioned the age of criminal responsibility being 10. It doesn't seem in any way relevant to the post you quoted me on or the thread.

CarolHolly · 04/12/2025 18:52

Spiderwoman123 · 03/12/2025 23:55

My DH isnt disposable. Far from it. I want us to be a happy united family. Of course I do. But things are getting worse and hes not listening. I cant get tonight out of my head. Maybe I sound dramatic but it was bad. My gut is telling me it was really bad.

Your gut is correct @Spiderwoman123. It’s telling you to protect your children.

CarolHolly · 04/12/2025 18:55

Imdunfer · 04/12/2025 18:50

So I'm confused why you mentioned the age of criminal responsibility being 10. It doesn't seem in any way relevant to the post you quoted me on or the thread.

One person is 6 and didn’t want to eat chicken. He hit out but it’s not a crime because he’s 6.

The other person is 45. He tried to hit his child and tipped him onto the floor.

This does not fall under the category of reasonable chastisement.

I don’t know how relevant it is to whatever post but it’s highly relevant in terms of safeguarding.

Differentforgirls · 04/12/2025 18:56

NoisyViewer · 04/12/2025 18:33

Yeah I do. I’m actually very soft. I’m the resident taxi that ferries them & their mates around. I used to organise outings with their friends pay & drop them all home after, fed & happy. I’m the mom that gets up at 2pm to pick my daughter & mates up & makes sure they all get home. I’m that horrible mom that you wish they didn’t have. The only mom doing all those things because if I don’t do it they can’t. No other mom takes my boy & his friends go karting, paintballing, cinema, bowling or swimming every school holiday. unless it’s a birthday. What I don’t do is allow them to not do their best, not be lazy, be disrespectful & they aren’t allowed to be victims. So yeah what a piece of crap mother I am.

What country are you in?

Imdunfer · 04/12/2025 18:58

CarolHolly · 04/12/2025 18:55

One person is 6 and didn’t want to eat chicken. He hit out but it’s not a crime because he’s 6.

The other person is 45. He tried to hit his child and tipped him onto the floor.

This does not fall under the category of reasonable chastisement.

I don’t know how relevant it is to whatever post but it’s highly relevant in terms of safeguarding.

You don't seem to remember what you wrote.

"There are laws of this land and the age of criminal responsibility is 10."

It wasn't of the slightest relevance to thread or to the post of mine which you quoted.

CarolHolly · 04/12/2025 19:00

Imdunfer · 04/12/2025 18:58

You don't seem to remember what you wrote.

"There are laws of this land and the age of criminal responsibility is 10."

It wasn't of the slightest relevance to thread or to the post of mine which you quoted.

Edited

Fine, I’m not arguing about it.

Tiswa · 04/12/2025 19:01

@NoisyViewer the only one who is acting the victim here is the husband which given he is about as far from the victim as you can get

is he home yet or still punishing you on that front @Spiderwoman123

Imdunfer · 04/12/2025 19:02

CarolHolly · 04/12/2025 19:00

Fine, I’m not arguing about it.

Well that's a relief.

Spiderwoman123 · 04/12/2025 19:05

Tiswa · 04/12/2025 19:01

@NoisyViewer the only one who is acting the victim here is the husband which given he is about as far from the victim as you can get

is he home yet or still punishing you on that front @Spiderwoman123

He just came home - 2.5 hours later than normal saying he went to the gym. Marches in and says "did anyone miss me? DS? miss me? DS2? miss me?". I think safe to say zero reflection has happened today.

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KetchUpWithEverythingPls · 04/12/2025 19:07

He sounds a nutter

Showing off and wanting attention for being home 🙄, eejit

Spiderwoman123 · 04/12/2025 19:07

i just want to say thanks to all the people who shared stories of their childhoods growing up with angry parents or the social workers providing their expertise especially. i am reading every single bit of advice but just difficult to respond to them properly. but there was a social worker a few pages ago who was being v helpful if a bit terrifying - but thank you. i am hearing it.

OP posts:
Imdunfer · 04/12/2025 19:08

Spiderwoman123 · 04/12/2025 19:05

He just came home - 2.5 hours later than normal saying he went to the gym. Marches in and says "did anyone miss me? DS? miss me? DS2? miss me?". I think safe to say zero reflection has happened today.

I'm getting the distinct feeling that you'll be heading off huge problems as your son turns into a teenager if you are able to get this man at arms length, SW. I hope things work out well for you all, but particularly you and both your sons.

Differentforgirls · 04/12/2025 19:10

Thanks but bear in mind that the chair tipping incident was over a CHICKEN NUGGET.

Auhdandme · 04/12/2025 19:13

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wrongthinker · 04/12/2025 19:13

I feel so, so sad for your little boy, OP. You can't keep doing this to him.

CarolHolly · 04/12/2025 19:17

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Exactly - OP is hoping her child will tell a teacher and if he does, it’s because a teacher is the first safe adult he can think of to tell.

Breadandbutta · 04/12/2025 19:18

NoisyViewer · 04/12/2025 15:03

I have ND in my family. Quite prevalent in fact. I suspect my daughter is. Sensory issues, doesn’t the feel of creams or make up, clothes have to be of a certain fabric. Hates loud music & until recently massively struggled with friends. I have nephews, my brother & 2 mates with non verbal boys. I know the advice is pretty universal, which is basically interpreted as they can’t help it & you must understand, where the line between what’s bad behaviour & that of what they can’t help is muddied. As you say they’re ND but they’re still children learning the ways of world. As a parent it’s your duty to prepare them for it. Life is harder but you can still have boundaries & face consequences, because that’s life. Everyone has a boundary & every interaction they’ll ever have will see consequences. If they aren’t taught that & grow up in an environment that solely caters for their needs you’re setting them up for failure. Thats not me being mean, it’s being real.

Depends on neurodivergent needs though. Some people whose neurodivergent brains impact them clinically cannot cope, until such a time as their prefrontal cortex has developed to cope with the demands of life. For example, it is well known in research that children with ADHD have the prefrontal cortex functioning of child 3-4 years younger. That means a 6 year old could have the emotional regulation of a 2 year old. We hear about the terrible twos and threenagers, but what about when your 7 year old has the emotional capacity of a 3 year old? That isn't easy to manage, especially when the world says that a 7 year old ought to behave in a certain way.

Spiderwoman123 · 04/12/2025 19:23

Right - i'm not sure what is going on with these latest posts but some of you just want to hvae a go at me. I've already said i've emailed the school telling them everything @CarolHolly so no i'm not relying on DS telling his teachers at all. I've told the school within 12 hours of it happening.

@Auhdandme - why do you not think it's real? i'm just reporting what just happened. that's it.

And pls don't make out i'm not a safe adult. Please. It's so unbelieavably hurtful. I'm taking action. I have been fighting for him for years. With the local authority, with his teachers, doing the work. Last night - when the incident happened - i scooped him up, told H to get away from him, picked them both up and took them upstairs. I didn't let H near them and put them to bath/bed. I then picked them up early from school today, and have a meeting booked tomorrow.

Sure - tell me i need to do more, i need to stop makign excuses for H. But this characterisation that i'm some unsafe, unrealiable mum that is making stuff up or not taking action is absolute bullshit. this is my life and my real kids and i'm not sure what some of you feel hellbent on mkaing out i'm unsafe or that somehow yesterday was my fault.

OP posts:
Silverwinged · 04/12/2025 19:24

OP, you say your husband is "kind" and "loving", but you list that he does the following:

  • Blatantly favors one child over another
  • Throws his own son on the floor
  • Is quick to anger
  • Is self-absorbed ("Did anyone miss me?")
  • Refuses to be an adult and use calm authority
  • Blames everyone for his own behavior, but himself

I am missing where the "kind" and "loving" part come in? Or does he only does this when it is convenient for him?

I think it would be best to get both your children away from this man. Your eldest already thinks your husband is the "boss" of the family. Your husband is setting a terrible example and is traumatizing you all in the process.

Auhdandme · 04/12/2025 19:29

Spiderwoman123 · 04/12/2025 19:23

Right - i'm not sure what is going on with these latest posts but some of you just want to hvae a go at me. I've already said i've emailed the school telling them everything @CarolHolly so no i'm not relying on DS telling his teachers at all. I've told the school within 12 hours of it happening.

@Auhdandme - why do you not think it's real? i'm just reporting what just happened. that's it.

And pls don't make out i'm not a safe adult. Please. It's so unbelieavably hurtful. I'm taking action. I have been fighting for him for years. With the local authority, with his teachers, doing the work. Last night - when the incident happened - i scooped him up, told H to get away from him, picked them both up and took them upstairs. I didn't let H near them and put them to bath/bed. I then picked them up early from school today, and have a meeting booked tomorrow.

Sure - tell me i need to do more, i need to stop makign excuses for H. But this characterisation that i'm some unsafe, unrealiable mum that is making stuff up or not taking action is absolute bullshit. this is my life and my real kids and i'm not sure what some of you feel hellbent on mkaing out i'm unsafe or that somehow yesterday was my fault.

It wasn't a personal attack, I said

Social services will get involved and not all the blame will be placed on the husband. They are going to ask OP why she didn't protect her child and why she continued to have her child around someone the OP says is abusive
This won't be the husband is abusive get rid of him case closed. OP is going to have to prove that she can keep her children safe

That is factual. If social were to get involved they would want you to be able to guarantee that you could keep your son safe

Breadandbutta · 04/12/2025 19:31

Spiderwoman123 · 04/12/2025 19:23

Right - i'm not sure what is going on with these latest posts but some of you just want to hvae a go at me. I've already said i've emailed the school telling them everything @CarolHolly so no i'm not relying on DS telling his teachers at all. I've told the school within 12 hours of it happening.

@Auhdandme - why do you not think it's real? i'm just reporting what just happened. that's it.

And pls don't make out i'm not a safe adult. Please. It's so unbelieavably hurtful. I'm taking action. I have been fighting for him for years. With the local authority, with his teachers, doing the work. Last night - when the incident happened - i scooped him up, told H to get away from him, picked them both up and took them upstairs. I didn't let H near them and put them to bath/bed. I then picked them up early from school today, and have a meeting booked tomorrow.

Sure - tell me i need to do more, i need to stop makign excuses for H. But this characterisation that i'm some unsafe, unrealiable mum that is making stuff up or not taking action is absolute bullshit. this is my life and my real kids and i'm not sure what some of you feel hellbent on mkaing out i'm unsafe or that somehow yesterday was my fault.

Spider woman you are doing a fab job as a mum in advocating for your children. The send crisis in this country is real and it is a burden that weighs heavily on the mothers. Did you see the BBC panorama about ehcps - it was the mum's who were advocating for their kids, navigating the send system etc.
Marriage breakdown is so common in ND families. Undiagnosed ND in adults is also really hard. And I think it's very countercultural for a man to not parent in an authoritative way, because of the way society puts men in positions of respect, especially historically. Children of the post war generation were raised in a strict way with a very authoritarian approach. Parenting ND children is so different to that now. It looks permissive and like you lack boundaries, but that isn't the case. It's about avoiding escalating situations. I really hope you can get support for your DH, that he will engage with. You sound like a brilliant mum. Xx