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Spiderwoman123 · 03/12/2025 19:21

6 year old ASD son. He is currently in process of EHCP application. He struggles socially, has no friends, has weird things about food

H has always said im too soft. Letting him have pudding when hes only eaten cucumber. That kind of thing. H gets v frustrated at DS not eating as H is the house chef really. H always been pretty resistant to adapting parenting but accepts diagnosis and is kind and loving but can also be v inflexible and quick to anger.H much prefers younger DS (none of same challenges). H can get pretty grumpy

Right. So dinner time. DS refusing to eat chicken as he says different to normal stuff. H getting wound up. Me trying to reduce tension. DS says "stop looking at me" as H staring at him. H looks mad. DS getting mad too. Tension rising and both sniping at each other. DS goes to slap H. Its pretty half hearted. DS used to hit a lot when meltdown and we have worked on it a lot together but it still happens. DS barely touches H. H says this is because he moved out the way.

H in response raises his hand to hit DS. I think. Stops himself and then picks up DS chair off the ground and tips it over so that DS falls onto hard kitchen floor. Not from some great height but he definitely picked up the chair and tipped it fully so DS (who was curled up on chair crying) onto floor. Pur kitchen has a fake concrete floor thing

DS bawling. H saying he didn't mean to but he wanted DS to leave room. H saying im overreacting and started blaming me for my shitty parenting!

Currently putting two v upset boys to bed. I think it's fucking horrendous. H thinks DS went to hit him and H was just getting him to leave the room

Pls tell me what to do

OP posts:
Tiswa · 04/12/2025 17:18

It actually IMO is worse that he did it in a slow calculated way because that is a deliberate move, a punishment designed to intimate and instil fear.

hurling would mean a loss of control being pushed to a limit and reacting without thinking. Though bad it is an impulse not a controlled response where he knew what he was doing

and @NoisyViewer there is nothing to say he still couldn’t be aided by the noise cancelling headphones just that he has managed to cope without them. And that is a double edged sword - yes it is good he can cope without them but also sometimes we don’t need to cope when there is something that makes our life easier - his Dad decided unilaterally to make him cope rather than making his life easier and for me that says it all

Spiderwoman123 · 04/12/2025 17:32

DS1 came home from school in a really bad mood. He demanded i put something on the TV but it didn't work and honestly - he didn't hit me or anything but he said he hated me a lot, bit a pillow , screamed, then said "you're not even the boss, daddy is the boss". i've told him in no uncertain terms how unacceptable it is and then essentially i just played with his little brother and we just left DS to it. Now he's calmed down and he's being lovely again. no hitting, no drama, but it did remind me - it's no walk in the park - it's not - but we wait it out and he gets himself out of it.

H usually home at 4.30 on Thursday. hasn't come back yet.

OP posts:
ManyATrueWord · 04/12/2025 17:34

Spiderwoman123 · 03/12/2025 23:53

How do I step up and resolve my own problems? I have tried for a long time to reason with my husband. Im running out of ideas.

Sometimes you have to be more angry than they are. Could you do that? I think a lot of women with difficult husbands are pushed out of "How DARE You?!" and into "I'm sorry you are upset. Let me fix it."

StellaMary · 04/12/2025 17:42

Spiderwoman123 · 04/12/2025 16:19

@StellaMary I do have people I can talk to IRL. There are a couple of people - they think my H is a bit of a nightmare i guess but also warn me of the huge upheaval of divorce - the loss of home, money, stability for the DC - and that H is loyal, dependable. most recommend counselling etc. i haven't gone into detail about him and DS though - more that i find it v hard to communicate with H.

I would really encourage you to talk to them about all of it if you can. Your concerns about your children are a lot weightier than the general relationship stuff and definitely worth mentioning, and your friends/family obviously know you which none of us do.

For what it’s worth I think you’re maybe getting a bit boiled frog and have just been worn down into accepting things that you never imagined you would accept. Having a third party to talk to can be quite a good way to reset.

Tiswa · 04/12/2025 17:44

Spiderwoman123 · 04/12/2025 17:32

DS1 came home from school in a really bad mood. He demanded i put something on the TV but it didn't work and honestly - he didn't hit me or anything but he said he hated me a lot, bit a pillow , screamed, then said "you're not even the boss, daddy is the boss". i've told him in no uncertain terms how unacceptable it is and then essentially i just played with his little brother and we just left DS to it. Now he's calmed down and he's being lovely again. no hitting, no drama, but it did remind me - it's no walk in the park - it's not - but we wait it out and he gets himself out of it.

H usually home at 4.30 on Thursday. hasn't come back yet.

I am surprised you are more concerned by that - the Daddy is the boss the bad mood and the effect this is having on him and on your relationship with him

sprigatito · 04/12/2025 17:45

Spiderwoman123 · 04/12/2025 17:32

DS1 came home from school in a really bad mood. He demanded i put something on the TV but it didn't work and honestly - he didn't hit me or anything but he said he hated me a lot, bit a pillow , screamed, then said "you're not even the boss, daddy is the boss". i've told him in no uncertain terms how unacceptable it is and then essentially i just played with his little brother and we just left DS to it. Now he's calmed down and he's being lovely again. no hitting, no drama, but it did remind me - it's no walk in the park - it's not - but we wait it out and he gets himself out of it.

H usually home at 4.30 on Thursday. hasn't come back yet.

I would interpret that comment as “I wanted you to stand up to Daddy and stop him from hurting me, but you can’t because he bullies you as well”. I’m not trying to upset you, I think you’re brilliant and doing your best, but this man is a wrecking ball. 😩

tipsyraven · 04/12/2025 17:46

sprigatito · 04/12/2025 17:45

I would interpret that comment as “I wanted you to stand up to Daddy and stop him from hurting me, but you can’t because he bullies you as well”. I’m not trying to upset you, I think you’re brilliant and doing your best, but this man is a wrecking ball. 😩

This.

JoClogs · 04/12/2025 17:48

GTGGD · 03/12/2025 19:28

H overreacted, should have self-control, should have removed himself when wound up, very much in the wrong, deceiving himself, should apologise.

Agree - it also sounds like your husband needs some professional support handling his frustration with his autistic child going forward as your son will get more difficult and may become more physical when he hits puberty.

wrongthinker · 04/12/2025 17:52

Spiderwoman123 · 04/12/2025 17:32

DS1 came home from school in a really bad mood. He demanded i put something on the TV but it didn't work and honestly - he didn't hit me or anything but he said he hated me a lot, bit a pillow , screamed, then said "you're not even the boss, daddy is the boss". i've told him in no uncertain terms how unacceptable it is and then essentially i just played with his little brother and we just left DS to it. Now he's calmed down and he's being lovely again. no hitting, no drama, but it did remind me - it's no walk in the park - it's not - but we wait it out and he gets himself out of it.

H usually home at 4.30 on Thursday. hasn't come back yet.

FFS OP, of course he's "in a bad mood." Yesterday you watched him being thrown to the floor by his dad, then he cried to you and told you how scared he is and how he needs help to defend himself.

And what have you done? Fuck all except continue to fanny around "not knowing" if what your H did is okay.

You had your answer last night when your infant son told you he was scared of his dad and needed your help. You have shown him that you're not willing or able to defend him and essentially he's on his own. Expect to see a massive increase in 'bad' behaviour from him from this point forward.

It's not too late to do the right thing. Please, for God's sake, stop pretending you don't know what your husband is doing to your children. It is abuse, and it's only going to get worse. You do not have to let your children go through this. Be braver, OP. Be a good mum. I'm not saying it's easy, but you have power and a voice. Your son does not. Your job is to protect him.

Spiderwoman123 · 04/12/2025 17:53

Tiswa · 04/12/2025 17:44

I am surprised you are more concerned by that - the Daddy is the boss the bad mood and the effect this is having on him and on your relationship with him

I took myself to the bathroom because I was so tearful and wanted to hide it from kids. Im affected by it all. Im trying to keep it together.

OP posts:
wrongthinker · 04/12/2025 17:55

Spiderwoman123 · 04/12/2025 17:53

I took myself to the bathroom because I was so tearful and wanted to hide it from kids. Im affected by it all. Im trying to keep it together.

Stop trying to keep it together. What you're trying to keep together is a horrible and traumatic situation where your husband is abusing your child. Do the opposite. Accept the reality and stop trying to pretend it's something different. Then take action to protect your child.

Helpfullilly · 04/12/2025 17:59

Hello, I don’t normally post but I have professional experience supporting parents with ND kids as well as my own personal life experience being ND and growing up in an abusive household.

I think people are reacting in very different ways because it’s the first known incident of violence and it’s not abusive in the stereotypical sense most people usually think of, like closed fist hitting, even if everyone agrees it was wrong. It’s tipping off an object and people may imagine it with different levels of risk or harm for your son. Most parents have lost their tempers at some point and reacted in ways they regret, so it’s also easy to project that onto your H. We don’t know the pattern of past behaviour and none of us know you, so it is also easy for people to fill in the gaps in the narrative given with their own bias or life experiences: you’re a weaker parent and it’s an ND child with no boundaries, dad is ND, dad isn’t, dad is abusive and even worse behind your back, it’s a dad who has made a mistake due to overwhelm, he does everything, no, you do…

I’ve seen all those versions of this sort of story, and bits of them in combination, and in all instances for me this would be a safeguarding referral, because there are warning signs here of abuse. Parents who are abusive usually aren’t abusive all the time, they can have good traits, understandable reasons to react in the wrong ways and may not mean to be abusive, some may need support themselves to better cope.

However, you cannot make your H change or take responsibility if he doesn’t want to and sees no problem with himself or his actions.

You can only control your own reaction and decisions in response to him and his behaviour.

With my own dad, he wasn’t often violent. He tended towards emotional abuse and what is now called coercive control, which made it difficult for my mum to realise he was abusive. It wasn't until things had escalated and she left him when I was an adult, and had to get the police and women aid involved, that she had it explained to her he was abusing us.

He'd have done this with the chair, and would do things like shout for hours at us and mum, including for issues related to my learning disability. It was a high conflict, high stress environment, and I knew they weren't happy together. He'd do things like threaten me with knives for not eating my food. He said that was okay as he wouldn't really cut me and mum was a soft touch... it was abuse. I was scared of him and knew he'd eventually hurt me in some way if I didn't do what he wanted even over unimportant stuff. But it was never his fault and he'd try to turn it into a joke and to get me to say it was okay if he was challenged by another adult. If you only see the one off incident, it's easy to think maybe it's not so bad even if not ideal. His undiagnosed ND issues were a contributing reason but not an excuse for this, and made him vulnerable, so my mum felt sorry for him. He was often under employed and at times easy to take advantage of, while she was a higher earner, better with money, plus doing most child care and all the research and fighting for me with my ND. He’s not an evil man, and he acted from his own trauma, upbring and lack of past support. However, his mix of denial, lack of self awareness, low empathy, stubbornness and black and white thinking, plus unwillingness to compromise, meant he was never going to change and was a danger to us and my mum. She would often say he’s not bad all the time. He could be funny, generous and kind, and if we lived by his rules, appeasing his needs, views and anxieties, things were mostly okay. But that’s no way to live, and it damaged all our mental health. It was harmful for him, as well.

ND men like this potentially aren't unusual and it's possibly part of why ND kids are at much greater risk of abuse. They can have a parent who is undiagnosed with poor coping strategies yet in denial, inflexible and unwilling to change, with poor emotional and impulse control, plus having an ND child is just harder and causes extra stress. - it's not the ND causing the abuse and most ND people aren't abusive, but personality, up bringing, a sense of stigma related to being ND, unhealthy coping strategies and past lack of proper support, can contribute to the risk of parents acting in abusive ways.

Only you can say if your husband sounds more like my dad or more like a normally good parent who might be open to change, but having a bad day, and needing support.

Either way, I think it's good you've documented this and I'd encourage you to document and report any further incidents, because either it could lead to him being forced to take support, or if you separate, result in less time for your children alone with him. But again, you cannot make him change or be a better parent. There are no magic words to fix him, you can provided opportunities but ultimately this is his responsibility to fix.

If he doesn't change, what are you going to do? That you can plan for and control.

AiRoo · 04/12/2025 18:01

OrwellianTimes · 03/12/2025 19:36

Autism has a ten to run in families and I’d bet your husband is too.

it excuses nothing.

Not to play devils advocate, but if you’re claiming DH to be neurodivergent but it excuses nothing, then why is the 6 year old’s behaviour excused for being neurodivergent also?

yes he’s an adult, but if he is not aware he’s a neurodivergent adult then he isn’t skilled up to control this reactions?

whilst the layman may say “he still knows right from wrong being 40 something” he’s not an a typical 40 something, as so many are suggesting.

not that I agree with tipping a child off a chair in any sense.

but allowances are allowances and what’s good for the goose should be good for the gander.

no being conflicting, just my take on it.

very difficult situation OP. I think suggestions of support and accountability and apologies are the best way forward.

all the best

Differentforgirls · 04/12/2025 18:01

NoisyViewer · 04/12/2025 11:39

I don’t think we’re talking about a severely autistic child. In truth that dinner time issue is a scene in many households worldwide ND or not. Give a 6 yo the option of eating a cake or their chicken & veg I don’t think it would raise to many eyebrows on what would be chosen & this is precisely the option this lad has been given. ND or not, this kid knows right from wrong. He knows his dad behaviour wasn’t right. He knew as he half intentionally lashed out that was wrong. He has an understanding, he knows telling the school will scare mom & there is consequences. again im not defending the dad. He is WRONG. However, the mom is undermining his authority. He cooked dinner & hence should be in charge of the dinner routine. The dad has a legitimate reason to be frustrated.

I really pray you don't have children.

BuckChuckets · 04/12/2025 18:05

sprigatito · 04/12/2025 17:45

I would interpret that comment as “I wanted you to stand up to Daddy and stop him from hurting me, but you can’t because he bullies you as well”. I’m not trying to upset you, I think you’re brilliant and doing your best, but this man is a wrecking ball. 😩

Very much this 😞

CarolHolly · 04/12/2025 18:10

Spiderwoman123 · 03/12/2025 21:00

Thats pretty much word for word what I've just been saying to H. H isnt taking any of it. Telling me DS only refuses dinner when im there and when he has them by himself he doesnt get any shit. I let them eat too much sugar. Im making stuff up. Im exaggerating. He thought he would land on his feet and only noticed DS was tucked up in a ball as he was picking uo the chair

The thing is if DS had been hitting and hitting and H lashed out that would have been one thing. He honestly barely touched H and then he started crying in a ball on the chair. He wasn't hitting H.

DS just called me up to his bed and said some strange stuff. He talked about daddy pushing him and he said he was gonna tell teachers. Then he followed that up by saying "mummy and daddy are most important people in your life". It wss quite odd. When he was crying he was saying "why do I have a scary daddy". H says DS manipulating me in thise moments because he knows how to get a reaction.

I do feel maybe I need to talk to school. I feel really worried what might happen

If your 6 year old describes what you’ve described, school would be right to refer this to children’s social care. YANBU. He’s 6 and frightened of his father.

CarolHolly · 04/12/2025 18:12

Imdunfer · 04/12/2025 14:31

It might get him a marginally lower sentence on an assault charge but it wouldn't stop a guilty verdict.

There are laws of this land and the age of criminal responsibility is 10.

katepilar · 04/12/2025 18:13

Spiderwoman123 · 03/12/2025 19:33

What is so awful is H is defending it by saying "DS was trying to hit me". He talks like theyre the same rather than one is 6 and one is in his 40s. This wss the most physical ive seen him but he does shout and then say "DS was shouting too"

DS in bath said "is that what some daddies do?". I feel like half my brain is sayinh this is awful get out, and the other half is saying he lost his temper but he didnt want to hurt him

It all happened in 10 seconds but he did pick uo the chair off the ground and tipped it 90 degree. The only thing he can have meant to happen is for DS to fall. It felt v extreme and I really reacted by grabbing DS off floor as was genuinely scared for him. H then said my reaction caused both boys to cry and run out of room!

Your husband is acting like a child, not a grown man. If he acknowledges that and he can get therapy to solve this issue. What he did is unacceptable to me.

Birlngsnotnicepeople · 04/12/2025 18:14

Sounds like it's a very challenging situation in a challenging time.
How was life before he was 6?
Food is so often a flashpoint. I gather you are tryign to have " family meals".
Would it be worth abandoning this idea?

Imdunfer · 04/12/2025 18:16

CarolHolly · 04/12/2025 18:12

There are laws of this land and the age of criminal responsibility is 10.

We were talking about the father.

Boattum · 04/12/2025 18:21

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CarolHolly · 04/12/2025 18:22

Imdunfer · 04/12/2025 18:16

We were talking about the father.

Edited

I know. The father could have seriously hurt the child and he would have been criminally responsible.

Differentforgirls · 04/12/2025 18:26

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 04/12/2025 15:07

@NoisyViewer - I agree with much of what you say here. Maybe this supportive post can get reported too bigboykitty!

I'm with @bigboykitty

NoisyViewer · 04/12/2025 18:33

Differentforgirls · 04/12/2025 18:01

I really pray you don't have children.

Yeah I do. I’m actually very soft. I’m the resident taxi that ferries them & their mates around. I used to organise outings with their friends pay & drop them all home after, fed & happy. I’m the mom that gets up at 2pm to pick my daughter & mates up & makes sure they all get home. I’m that horrible mom that you wish they didn’t have. The only mom doing all those things because if I don’t do it they can’t. No other mom takes my boy & his friends go karting, paintballing, cinema, bowling or swimming every school holiday. unless it’s a birthday. What I don’t do is allow them to not do their best, not be lazy, be disrespectful & they aren’t allowed to be victims. So yeah what a piece of crap mother I am.

stayok · 04/12/2025 18:36

wrongthinker · 04/12/2025 17:52

FFS OP, of course he's "in a bad mood." Yesterday you watched him being thrown to the floor by his dad, then he cried to you and told you how scared he is and how he needs help to defend himself.

And what have you done? Fuck all except continue to fanny around "not knowing" if what your H did is okay.

You had your answer last night when your infant son told you he was scared of his dad and needed your help. You have shown him that you're not willing or able to defend him and essentially he's on his own. Expect to see a massive increase in 'bad' behaviour from him from this point forward.

It's not too late to do the right thing. Please, for God's sake, stop pretending you don't know what your husband is doing to your children. It is abuse, and it's only going to get worse. You do not have to let your children go through this. Be braver, OP. Be a good mum. I'm not saying it's easy, but you have power and a voice. Your son does not. Your job is to protect him.

100% this.

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