Why can’t we just hang scum like this?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2k4qd8q97eo

Worse than being a killer.

There are laws against this to protect the innocent and for many, there is no right to take a life irrespective of the crime. Some people think that a death sentence is actually an easy option compared to years of unrelenting fear living in a prison among people who know what you did.

regardless of any of these things, if someone hurt my babies in the way this animal did, I would want to kill them with my bare hands, so I do also really reason with your sentiment.

Why not? We used to but we have decided it is not acceptable to do this. Killing someone tended to be used as an example of what would happen to you if you broke the law. We don't act in that way now - not because it is ineffective but because it is unjust. And that's better.
Besides, there is an argument that removing freedom for life is a better punishment than death.

Nah mate don’t put words in my mouth. I didn’t say I supported the death penalty. I said that AR looks like a clearly guilty case to me - ie plainly unambiguously guilty does exist.

The last two hangings in England that I am aware of were Derek Bentley and Ruth Ellis, and neither would get a ‘fully’ guilty verdict now, iyswim.

Somebody told me that he thinks all prison and punishment is revenge, but for myself I genuinely think the issue is how people are to be protected from dangerous criminals. I don’t approve of state murder, but equally I don’t think AR is ever going to be safe to release, and atm he is also a risk to prison officers. We currently seem to have an emergent law-of-the-jungle situation among prisoners, given the recent killings of two sex offenders in prison. I do not have an answer; too complicated for me.

Human rights need to apply to everyone or they're worthless.

He won't have an easy time in prison.

I don't share your confidence on that. Evidence can often be interpreted in multiple ways, it's not always clear cut.

@KTheGrey

"Nah mate don’t put words in my mouth. I didn’t say I supported the death penalty. I said that AR looks like a clearly guilty case to me - ie plainly unambiguously guilty does exist."

Someone can have unambiguously committed a crime, but not be considered fully responsible for their actions. Not commenting specifically on AR, just pointing out that these things can be complicated.

There should be a referendum on bringing back the death penalty just like there was for Brexit. I am fairly certain that "yes" would win.

What about the "human rights" of victims of crime? Don't they count?

How exactly are the human rights of the victims protected or upheld by executing the perpetrators?

I think convicted paedophiles/rapists/murderers should be given the choice. Long prison sentences or lethal injection.

He's despicable, but we got rid of the death penalty for good reasons.

Just put them in a cell, solitary confinement with no visitors or interaction with anyone, ever. And leave a cyanide capsule in there for them as "an option".

So prison is for cases where there is doubt i.e. not guilty?

On a practical level I'm not in favour of giving the state the ability to kill people, and yet in these cases where a person's guilt is incontrovertible, I find it hard to argue against the death penalty - without expensive, drawn-out appeals. Just sentencing and then execution as soon as possible.

I'm aware that even in those cases where the evidence appears incontrovertible, there might be a margin of error, but I find it statistically acceptable that a very, very, very small percentage of innocent people might be executed.

People will of course react strongly to that statement, but considering the number of people (including children) who die because their specific cancer treatment isn't publicly funded, who die because the mental health services don't provide enough care, who die because essential medical services are delayed by waiting lists, and other failures of the public health system, we are clearly fine with the state allowing innocent people to die.

So yes - I'm divided on the matter, but in principle I'm not against the death penalty for cases where the perpetrator is incontrovertibly guilty.

I am sure that I would be able to do so. Having killed animals before (for food, or out of necessity) and having found it to be a mildly upsetting experience each time, I honestly think executing a paedophile would be easier than an innocent animal.

It would be an unpleasant job, and no doubt carry some degree of psychological toll, but there would be a certain satisfaction to knowing that you are removing a monster from the world.

State-sanctioned executions are not the same as individuals murdering people, just as the state imprisoning people is not the same as an individual locking someone in their basement for years.

He'll be out in a few years, look how long that teen who did the same got 8 years I think. Is that really a sentence to fit these sort of crimes? He'll be out up at the tax payers expenses and out to do similar in the future I bet.

100% I agree that’s exactly what they deserve all of them, but this country is weak

Have a read of what happened to Richard Huckle. Then Ian Watkins. Ian Huntly is still alive but he's had a couple of attacks, one of which slashed his throat.

This latest one will not be having an easy time. Prisons are overcrowded, things that shouldn't happen are happening.

I know someone whose son was murdered, very brutally, neither parent wanted the murderers to hang, the 2 convicted are out now, still with around 30 or 40 years of their lives left.

Hanging doesn't mean less murders or child abuse & many victims families don't want the death penalty.

Should the state demand a hanging but the family doesn't, whose "rights" would be respected?

On referendums, the last time we had one, it was hardly a success.

Which case was this?

@randomchap 18yr old a few weeks back in this country Thomas waller. He was abusing kids in the bathroom and making videos

You convict someone with degrees of doubt. You convict or you don’t convict.

He very obviously didn’t have the right though, did he? He has been convicted and sent to prison.