To think it is not at all sad that the Women's Institute is now only for actual women?

[SingleSexSpacesInSchools]

“Incredibly sadly, we will have to restrict our membership on the basis of biological sex from April next year,” Green said. “But the message we really want to get across is that it remains our firm belief that transgender women are women, and that doesn’t change.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/dec/03/womens-institute-no-longer-accept-trans-women-members-april

Tellingly - they still think women can have a penis.

The wording of the back down is woeful.

But at least it's a back down

It's just extraordinary that it went this deep and this far.

This group think madness Orwellian madness just shows how weak we all really are and specifically to mind bending.

People raised in this have no chance have they with the brain washing.

And yet they seem to loathe women. It is a bizarre situation, men want to dress as women, access women only areas but seem to hate the women in there.

Because there's no validation and euphoria to be had in accessing spaces that are mixed sex.

It's not true of all TIM, but in many cases, they resent what they see as women's sexual power and transgenderism is their attempt to "dethrone" us (I've seen abusive messages shared by GC women that use this word) and take that power for themselves. Since they think woman is something you perform, they think they'll perform it better.

Here’s a bunch of men thinking that they’re womaning better than … women.

FRO

🙋🏻What does FRO mean please?

yes, i am happy for women to turn up.

And, the SC ruling also mentioned that transmen who have so altered their appearance that they actually appear really, truly and honestly to be men - that they could be excluded if their presence causes discomfort or fear to the women present.

Now your turn: Why are you so keen for women to have to put up with men in their spaces when they don't want them? You can give away your rights. But you can keep your sweaty mitts off my rights.

Is it f*#£ right off?

Fuck right off.

Feminists (Julie Bindel, for example) are now admitting that campaigns that forced gentlemens' clubs and golf clubs to admit women were probably misconceived. The success of those campaigns has certainly made arguments for women only organisations a lot harder.

yes and no. There was no reason for, say, golf clubs to be the preserve of men. Especially given how many business deals go on at the 19th hole.

Men's sheds? no, they are vital for men, we want men to talk, and they need a space to do that.

Gentlemen's clubs? same as golf - if decisions are being made by politicians etc in men's spaces? that is not acceptable

fuck me - am i the sodding president of the USA?

use better arguments if you want anyone to take your words seriously.

Well @ThatCyanCat did, at 14:29.

Don’t forget that some golf clubs that deigned to admit women put restrictions on tee times - reserving weekend times for men for instance. It was assumed the women could play during the week as they wouldn’t have jobs.

i am from the vintage of women soldiers who were sometimes told to leave the bar of our own mess...

@PacificState, at the moment in FWR, there's an interesting thread started by a Muslim woman in the UK. She describes the intense pressures on young women, who, from puberty, are prevented from doing anything that might lead to social contact with men. The OP wasn't allowed to attend work socials, for instance. Family members spied on her.

Do you not think that women living such confined lives might welcome opportunities to mix more widely and share ideas? What do you make of an inclusivity that actually excludes many women most in need of such opportunities?

Exactly! Including men in women's spaces means excluding all those women who need single-sex services. I'm sure 'inclusive' used to mean accessible to people whose lives are restricted in some way, eg by disabilities or trauma or poverty or caring duties. Not letting men have women's spaces as well as their own.

How would allowing men into a women's single-sex organisation give confined women more opportunities? If their families won't let them join a mixed-sex group, they would simply be ordered to leave the formerly-single-sex group too. A big organisation like WI can provide many 'opportunities to mix more widely and share ideas'. Just not with men.

And no, I don't like the way the Muslim women on the other thread are being treated by their families. But letting men, whether trans-identifying or not, into women's spaces will do nothing to improve their lives. It is irrelevant to their problems.

@LeftieRightsHoarder, you have misunderstood me. Allowing men into 'inclusive' women's spaces means many women will be excluded from them.

They could join Andy’s men shed….

I’m really pleased it has been passed back to women. However I am concerned that THE WOMEB’s INSTITUTE have said they recognise transgender women as women. What an absolute let down.

So when TRA shout “kill all TERFS” and threaten women with rape and violence, you admit they’re being cruel? So why aren’t you on TRA forums scolding them for their language? Or is it just women who have to use nice words and be kind?

The Crying Game would have been a bit shit if that were true

That was a film, in 2D, with all the assistance of lighting, make-up and camera angles.

Not real life in 3D with none of those artificial props.

I thought clocking trans people within milliseconds was supposed to be an atavistic survival instinct, whatever the conditions