To think there is a definite surge in annoyance towards the disabled?

[WarySwan]

I have seen it in real life. Not just social media forums and news outlets where every other post seems to be about 'free money this for disabled' and 'free cars'.

My 2 children have autism. They get highest rate DLA. About £800 a month. We get respite care funded that costs the tax payer about £700 a month.

Just had an extension on our new build house, housing association, brand new bedroom and ensuite installed. Free of charge through the council.

Motability 7 seater car. 25 plate.

People seem to just see this and see the money. They do not see the costs that are present because of disability. The amount of time and resources it takes to keep 2 profoundly children at home.

They do not see that my children will need 24/7 care for life. 2-1 support in public. The constant cleaning and caring. Waking up at the crack of dawn, years on end. Cleaning smearing and endless washing. Endless marks on your body from a child who doesn't get that taking a chunk out of you will hurt that much and scar

Watching your eldest almost die as he can't speak a word or use a communication device. Meaning appendicitis went undetected until he was almost dying. The constant battle of keeping a cannula in his arm with hospital staff just not getting why a play therapist does not bloody cut it and he needs constant supervision that I cannot possibly do 24/7 without moving from the bedside. The weeks spend in recovery because of this.

If we do not or cannot provide this care, residential placements are about £40,000+ per month. Yes. Per month. It is eye watering in cost. That won't change anytime soon because social care is beyond shot to bits.

My children deserve the best life possible. And a dignified society should surely want to ensure this happens? Children who are not disabled and their parents have options. They have chances and doorways. Mine will never work. Never have a marriage or children, they won't even be able to cook a basic meal.

There is no overtime or upskilling for me. No situation where they fly the nest and I can focus on my career again. Unless they become some dangerous through no fault of their own that a 40k plus a month placement goes ahead as the alternative means I could die or be seriously injured, and that would mean they'd be at risk if I am literally unconscious on the floor.

They still deserve dignity and compassion. The chance of a good life. They are very happy currently. Good routines that are followed to a T. Safe at home because I have the resources to do it.

Care placement does not save money. Unfortunately. It would cost over ten times what I get in benefits.

I have seen so many mentions of people saying those on benefits should have no savings at all. Nothing. Really? You think my life isn't hard enough? You think I shouldn't be allowed a small nest of savings too?

When I finally drop down from caring, I will have next to no pension. After spending a lifetime ensuring the state doesn't have to take full responsibility for 2 adult men that will mean at least 4 paid members of staff are present at all times.

I am not just talking about MN. It is everywhere. Even 'funny' reels on Instagram targeted about how the disabled get this and that. How they should all drive a basic tiny car that has something written in bold to make sure everyone knows its a free car, as if they're really disabled, they'll use. That'll stop the chancers eh!

This is NOT about criticism towards PIP and DLA for things people deem questionable... even though they almost certainly dont have all the facts. This is about the blatant and not hidden disgust and begrudge of help to those with lifelong and profound disability

PEOPLE keep saying in black and white, no room for confusion in their words, that the disabled get too much. That it isn't fair.

I suppose this thread will get deleted. But a lot of views seem to be going unchallenged about the disabled that wouldn't be allowed if it was about something else that's suppose to be a protected characteristic. Seems to have quite a few comparisons with a certain country in Europe 80 or so years ago. When the hatred and deceit was being thrown around and brain washing people before not many years later, the public became okay with euthanasia of them.

Hell, I am sure we are already there for some. As I have seen with my own eyes, people commenting on MN and the likes of social media where their bloody name and pictures of themselves and their work can be traced, that euthanasia could be an option, ideally.

Ancient, uncivilised societies. I hardly think we should be copying the Romans. Might as well bring back slavery and crucifixion too.

If someone is saying there is a widespread, successful fraud going on, stats for unsuccessful frauds don't prove that they are wrong.

Just like if someone says there are large numbers of young girls being pimped out, and the pimps are getting away with it, showing there are low convictions for prostitution and pimping don't don't disprove that.

Terrifying isn’t it

I feel like there is a surge in annoyance about everything. We are a far less tolerant society especially in a day to day sense about trivial things - people are so entitled about everything. Young healthy men expect to have a seat on public transport and won't give it up for an elderly or disabled person. People play music and videos openly on phones with no care who they disturb.

Times are financially harder than they have been, the government is utterly incompetent, there is a lot of flashpoint activity going on everywhere (immigrant hotels, trans issues, police racial violence) where there are two sides in conflict. Add on top all of the problems social media causes.

It's like a powderkeg of intolerance and everyone seems annoyed about everything from serious issues to the most trivia.

No one is posing questions about actively killing intellectually disabled children except you. Other people are trying to consider the wider understanding that societies have around how they value all human life and what factors come into play in those value judgements. You seem to be desparately trying to put words into posters mouths so you can call them names. The reason I posed the question to you was because you seem to be very black and white in your thinking. However as you seem to be acknowledging these matters aren't black and white and actually you also have a line like many others, what you find acceptable others may find abhorrent and vice versa

Yep. There is definitely a degree of irritation towards disabled people these days,more so than maybe a decade ago. Mainly due to the right wing media stirring up trouble, saying things like they get given 'free cars' and making out that the vast majority are faking it and playing the system.

Snap! The hateful and divisive rhetoric against ‘boomers’ is ramping up as well.

They actually are though.

You have literally made up a response to a post that isn't there. @TempestTost is posing a question not advocating for anything at all you owe them an apology.

To be honest, I just sort of rolled my eyes and moved on from the fact she “wouldn’t struggle” when deciding whether my son is allowed to live, and maintain his obsession with airplanes.

I think some of these people should just find their way back to Ancient Rome, and live there in ignorant peace.

Yes it’s very clear what some posters mean.

You can dress it up all you like as some kind of philosophical pondering about the value of life in various cultures or at various points in history but it’s transparent. Parallels drawn with one part of history though terrifyingly accurate. But then nobody likes that only the bits that suit them when trying to normalise horrific hypothetical situations designed to stealthily introduce the concept of euthanasia for those who won’t be economic contributors.

No they are really not, you need to look a little more closely at what is being posted rather than what you imagine is being posted.

The Romans were nothing if not civilised. Brutal, at times, but civilised.

Do you think our society is somehow protected from having similar beliefs to other societies like these?

We already have people arguing that some lives are not worth living, in many contexts. The laws are going in that direction. There are already countries that allow euthanasia of infants.

If some suffering is too great to be compatible with a worthwhile life, which is fundamentally the argument of assisted death as we see in very civilised places like Canada, and as a parent you have the responsibility to protect your child from suffering, where do you think that logic leads?

And the exact same thought processes are common considerations around abortion - we already have practice, as a society, thinking in those terms.

Perhaps if you could find the post where the poster says they wouldn't struggle rather than in their view people/society wouldn't struggle then do feel free to post it.

Apparently I am making things up that are actually in black and white and need to apologise to the person who thinks murdering 9 year olds who are not ill is OK.

Some might find it interesting to have a debate about human life, sanctity, the economy, terminations, euthanasia and how we value life. I just really don’t think this is the right place to have that discussion. Of course threads get derailed all the time, but this is a particularly uncomfortable example I feel.

I don’t think it is so much intolerance as people feeling powerless. They no trust in politicians and the government 80% of the electorate didn’t vote for, seems to be steamrollering though harmful policies that weren’t in the manifesto with little consideration for public opinion. And they are at least as corrupt as the last lot, possibly more so. The powder keg is because they can’t get their voices heard.

It's in the quote! 'The parents will get to decide what counts as too much of a burden, or not enough quality of life.
What is it that makes you think people would struggle with this?'

*Oh hang on, you think 'What is it that makes you think people would struggle with this?' is just an innocent question, posed for I don't even know what reasons. I should ask 'what is it that makes you think anyone would NOT struggle with this?'

Its all just divide and rule ...a miniscule budget compared to the UNPAID contributions from large firms

I think what they’re really asking us to do is debate the philosophical and ethical implications of assigning quality of life thresholds to people with disabilities, and if society would arrive at doing so because of the “burden” of them.

Which firstly, no sensible human should be doing, and secondly, no parent of a disabled child would.

Barking up entirely the wrong tree.

Yes exactly this.

If one side is pushing for a fairer society for everyone and calling out the people who actually hold power and influence, and the other side is pushing for more inequality and blaming minority or marginalised groups for society’s problems, then yeah, one side is clearly better than the other.

You said this on another thread and it was explained to you thst nobody is getting a mobility car for a tennis elbow
When filling out forms you have to list all the persons conditions, do for example my son has chronic constipation and he has a mobility car
Obviously he doesn't get the mobility car for the chronic. Constipation, he gets it for severe mental impairment caused by his complex disabilities, but if the Daily mail decided to write a rage inducing article they could quite rightly claim that someone with chronic constipation is in receipt of a mobility car whilst conveniently missing out the actual reason for eligibility.

Yes that quote very clearly doesn't say that she wouldn't struggle with it, it actually poses a question to you. I really suggest you reread the posts as they really don't say what you think they say. By all means say you don't think it's an appropraie discussion, but don't go around making baseless accusations.

why the fuck do people believe any old bollocks?
I think it's because they want to. it justifies the position they already know they want to take.