Is there anyone on here who voted Labour who is genuinely happy with how things are going

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I didn’t vote Labour, but was actually quite excited. We needed change, now I dint think that at all and although Tories weren’t great in many respects, this shit show feels worse! I’m so tired of our politicians just not doing what is best for the country and having to curtail to babk benchers/unions, lining their own pockets and wardrobes and generally just being untrustworthy.
i have no doubt Farage will get in next time, and it will be Keir’s fault.

Yep. I think their comms are letting them down - the media hates them. They’ve fucked up a few things - but they are doing the change they promised.

Agree with this. What good does it do to deprive children already here? And people don't always know their financial situation for years ahead when they have kids. There are job losses, disabilities, deaths, divorce...

And it is often the women left to hold the baby, but he let's make it even harder for them.

But rewarding irresponsible parents won't either. I am pretty certain we will still be talking about children in poverty next year, giving money to people who a low level of financial literacy won't help, the money will get misdirected.

So what do you suggest instead?

Nice to see lots of sensible comments on this thread, id almost given up hope of anything political on here, so much ignorance and hate about these days.

i voted for them and would do so again if they were the best party, there certainly isn’t another credible one around at the moment.

theres a hell of a lot of witch hunting and misinformation around at the minute, both the press and social media. I don’t get the furore around the budget - nothing really changed and almost no one is worse off now, all of the bad news is significantly down the line, which means it may never happen. We’re in a period of stagnant economic growth and growing political instability both at home and in the rest of the western world - why exactly was anyone expecting some sort of bonanza? These are difficult times and the Labour Party is not the cause of that.

Right, but if incomes increase, so does the poverty line. Endlessly unless we reevaluate the metric.

Can you explain that more, how do you think the metric should be reevaluated?

Genuinly interested.

It’s £26bn in extra taxes, someone is paying it. Mostly middle earners.

I mostly agree with you...I think they / the media are doing a poor job of reporting on the things that are improving.

However they also need to communicate better full stop. They are dealing with an absolute shitshow of a legacy due to Brexit / Covid / Tories. And I think they are doing their best...which is definitely better than Tories or Reform.

Reform would be an absolute disaster for the country, they can't even manage local councils well and are selling themselves to the Russians too!

Anyone who thinks Reform will be any better needs to have a good look at what mess they are making in their local councils. In Leics they are spending an enormous sum on a consultant to identify waste, despite the fact that services have already been cut to the bone.

Farage has wrecked the economy through Brexit. Now he wants to finish the job off by ruining the country completely.

Yes - you can't use a relative measure to assess otherwise there will always be people who are relatively worse off unless you have complete equality.

It needs to be more a checklist:

> Do you choice to smoke or gamble - if so you can't be in poverty.
> Do you not have access to clean running water.

They didnt deliver Brexit which along with Truss shooting us all in the face were the worst two economic decisions in about 2 decades...

I feel like people have extremely short memories:

Liz Truss being PM for 45 days and causing mass market panic which resulted in our mortgage rates climbing a ridiculous amount and interest rates on our national debt still being higher than they were as a result?

Boris hiding in a walk-in fridge when a journalist tried to ask him a reasonable question about COVID?

Boris and the scandal about that woman he denied having an affair with who later, to absolutely no-one’s surprise, admitted he’d been shagging her.

Partying and having affairs in the office while many of us couldn’t meet relatives for Christmas or be with them in hospital?

Giving millions and millions to contractors like Michelle Mone for PPE that never turned up?

I mean this is just 10 seconds off the top of my head, I doubt it even scratches the surface…

How do you apply that metric to the UK and more specifically children?

Not sure making sure kids have the minimum they need is “rewarding irresponsible parents”. It’s trying to ensure that children don’t grow up in poverty. Which,as a society, we should be doing everything we can to prevent. For everyone’s benefit.

What do you think he’s done wrong? Actual examples?

That’s such a random baseless comment.

You can’t just randomly throw out comments like that on politics without any context - what makes you think it’s hitting middle earners?

For a start one of the reforms was around the £2m+ mansion tax, that isn’t middle earners?

Everyone had their knickers in a twist for weeks about rising income tax, an extra £3k per year for all houses in council tax bands that included typical middle earner houses. Absolutely none of that came to be true, and still people moan.

(and I didn’t even vote Labour FWIW).

Mansion tax is £400m

The tax banding is where the bulk is falling. It’s all being discussed in various podcasts and articles. It’s not hidden, it’s easily accessible. Have a look.

That where we keep ending up isn't it, a debate about who is shitter. When the bar is set that low Starmer should be booming but he isn't. His whiter than white government has been overrun with cheating from ministers being fired for fraud to the chancellor lying. It should be so easy for Labour to demonstrating improvement from their change but their own policies have caused a big part of the problem now, and their backbenchers blocked even the modicum of change that they did try to implement.

Durham council under Darren Grimes had also increased their black hole:
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/reform-durham-county-council-darren-grimes-400775/

Realistically though 50% of people have an IQ lower than 100. And while it may not be very PC to talk about it, it’s factual.

No matter how much you are furious about it - there’s a significant proportion of the population that don’t exactly have the best capabilities to plan their lives out in a way that makes sense for them or anyone else.

So what do we do, just leave those children in poverty?

Because that’s a problem that’s never going to go away no matter how furious anyone may be about it.

Are you talking about Keir or us goverment?

People don’t mind paying tax when it’s is going to be invested to get things working better.

People are raging because money is being taken off us and handed to those who want lots of kids and us to pay for them or endless tenuous disability claimants or wealthy pensioners. Thats why people are very angry.

I would completely agree with this. Given what state things were when they came in, they’re doing okay.

Unfortunately they are having to battle a very right wing media and large amounts of right wing money being pumped into social media. Labour don’t stand a chance with regards to this unfortunately.