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Is there anyone on here who voted Labour who is genuinely happy with how things are going

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Iwishicouldflyhigh · 01/12/2025 08:14

I didn’t vote Labour, but was actually quite excited. We needed change, now I dint think that at all and although Tories weren’t great in many respects, this shit show feels worse! I’m so tired of our politicians just not doing what is best for the country and having to curtail to babk benchers/unions, lining their own pockets and wardrobes and generally just being untrustworthy.
i have no doubt Farage will get in next time, and it will be Keir’s fault.

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TopPocketFind · 01/12/2025 13:27

Kleeneze · 01/12/2025 13:23

People don’t mind paying tax when it’s is going to be invested to get things working better.

People are raging because money is being taken off us and handed to those who want lots of kids and us to pay for them or endless tenuous disability claimants or wealthy pensioners. Thats why people are very angry.

People are indeed very angry that their taxes help children and people with disabilities

Happyjoe · 01/12/2025 13:28

wheresmymojo · 01/12/2025 13:10

I feel like people have extremely short memories:

Liz Truss being PM for 45 days and causing mass market panic which resulted in our mortgage rates climbing a ridiculous amount and interest rates on our national debt still being higher than they were as a result?

Boris hiding in a walk-in fridge when a journalist tried to ask him a reasonable question about COVID?

Boris and the scandal about that woman he denied having an affair with who later, to absolutely no-one’s surprise, admitted he’d been shagging her.

Partying and having affairs in the office while many of us couldn’t meet relatives for Christmas or be with them in hospital?

Giving millions and millions to contractors like Michelle Mone for PPE that never turned up?

I mean this is just 10 seconds off the top of my head, I doubt it even scratches the surface…

This is always worth a look - it was mind boggling how much of our money they wasted, all the while running our services into the ground under the falsehood of 'austerity'!
https://www.bestforbritain.org/scandalous_spending_tracker

TempleOfLove · 01/12/2025 13:29

You've missed my point - timpson has been offering employment to ex offenders for decades, regardless of whose in government. He did it whilst the Tories were in power and he'll continue to do it. It's not a Labour initiative at all; they don't deserve any of the credit there.

Happyjoe · 01/12/2025 13:29

TopPocketFind · 01/12/2025 13:27

People are indeed very angry that their taxes help children and people with disabilities

Agree. And people are painting this budget as all the money raised is going into benefits. It's not true and selective outrage again.

Kleeneze · 01/12/2025 13:31

TopPocketFind · 01/12/2025 13:27

People are indeed very angry that their taxes help children and people with disabilities

Let’s boost things that help EVERYONE then, like investing in CAMHS, or the police service to clamp down on shop lifting and phone snatching, or use the money to build social housing.

Things that the tax paying worker sees a benefit from as well.

luckylavender · 01/12/2025 13:32

Onlyontuesday · 01/12/2025 08:47

I'm happy with them but think they are awful at communicating what they do. Change takes time and the country's resources and infrastructure are in the pits.

They are doing good work in reducing NHS waiting times.

We have the fastest growing economy in the G7 and falling interest rates.

Immigration is down from 640k last year to 204k.

I think the farmer's inheritance tax and private school taxes were fair. The most budget hasn't benefitted us personally (both higher rate tax payers) but it has been received well by the markets.

I do wish they had managed the PIP and WFA reforms.

Same

Bumblebee72 · 01/12/2025 13:32

TopPocketFind · 01/12/2025 12:57

So what do you suggest instead?

I'd give them a parenting loan like a student loan. It would help support the children so that they don't have to suffer in the short term because they have bad parents, but in the long term it could be would be paid back once the child was 18 so that poor choices are paid in the long term.

TopPocketFind · 01/12/2025 13:36

Kleeneze · 01/12/2025 13:31

Let’s boost things that help EVERYONE then, like investing in CAMHS, or the police service to clamp down on shop lifting and phone snatching, or use the money to build social housing.

Things that the tax paying worker sees a benefit from as well.

Yes and alongside welfare.

All that has been neglected for a long time and will take time and money.

placemats · 01/12/2025 13:36

TempleOfLove · 01/12/2025 13:29

You've missed my point - timpson has been offering employment to ex offenders for decades, regardless of whose in government. He did it whilst the Tories were in power and he'll continue to do it. It's not a Labour initiative at all; they don't deserve any of the credit there.

https://www.gov.uk/government/ministers/minister-of-state-minister-for-prisons

He was employed as a minister the day after Labour came to power. 5 July 3024.

Minister of State for Prisons, Probation and Reducing Reoffending - GOV.UK

https://www.gov.uk/government/ministers/minister-of-state-minister-for-prisons

Shakeoffyourchains · 01/12/2025 13:37

I didn’t vote for them, but they’re a hell of a lot better than the last lot, and certainly better than a racist with murky Russia links who lies with every breath.

I think what says it all is how desperate the right whinge media have become. They’re scraping the barrel to manufacture outrage out of nothing. According to them, Rachel Reeves maybe but not really lying about maybe but not actually raising income tax is one of the great scandals of our time
Second only to Angela Rayner receiving incorrect tax advice from a qualified adviser.

Those two things are, somehow, far more serious than...

Rishi funnelling multi-million-pound contracts to his wife’s company. Tory MPs, Lords and pals defrauding the state of billions during Covid. Nigel Farage’s ,definitely squeaky-clean, waitress girlfriend buying a £900k house in cash. 20+ of Farage’s former classmates publicly calling him racist. Farage's right-hand man in Wales being convicted of literally subverting democracy.

But quick, look over there! The Chancellor might have used a bit of spin, and a single mum is getting £17 extra a week.

Honestly, it's predictable to the point of parody and toe-curlingly embarrassing, but not surprising, that the right whinge continue to lap it up.

Christmascarrotjumper · 01/12/2025 13:37

TopPocketFind · 01/12/2025 13:01

Can you explain that more, how do you think the metric should be reevaluated?

Genuinly interested.

Because relative poverty, where living standards are generally high, isn't necessarily a good measure of deprivation. Pushing living standards ever upwards isn't sustainable.
Do we really British children are more deprived than they were 50 years ago?

Kleeneze · 01/12/2025 13:37

TopPocketFind · 01/12/2025 13:36

Yes and alongside welfare.

All that has been neglected for a long time and will take time and money.

Why alongside welfare? Why? Why should we always spend more on welfare? For what reason? Why can’t I get something back for the taxes I pay? I’ve never claimed a benefit in my life, and am unlikely to get a state pension due to incoming meansyeating. Why can’t I get better services in exchange?

placemats · 01/12/2025 13:39

I have disagreements on certain policies but I'm happy to have voted Labour and helped out with the campaign. We have a brilliant Labour MP now.

randomchap · 01/12/2025 13:39

TempleOfLove · 01/12/2025 13:29

You've missed my point - timpson has been offering employment to ex offenders for decades, regardless of whose in government. He did it whilst the Tories were in power and he'll continue to do it. It's not a Labour initiative at all; they don't deserve any of the credit there.

I've not missed your point, but you've missed mine. Labour gave him a seat in the house of Lords so that he could become a minister and bring his expertise to government. He's now got more powers than he did previously. I think that Labour deciding to use an expert should be recognised and applauded

TopPocketFind · 01/12/2025 13:42

Kleeneze · 01/12/2025 13:37

Why alongside welfare? Why? Why should we always spend more on welfare? For what reason? Why can’t I get something back for the taxes I pay? I’ve never claimed a benefit in my life, and am unlikely to get a state pension due to incoming meansyeating. Why can’t I get better services in exchange?

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Is that a serious question?

You think we should leave people destitute?

Do you want to see the return of workhouses?

What kind of society do you want to live in?

ETA to ask what you mean with "I am unlikely to get a state pension due to incoming meansyeating"

Bumblebee72 · 01/12/2025 13:43

randomchap · 01/12/2025 13:39

I've not missed your point, but you've missed mine. Labour gave him a seat in the house of Lords so that he could become a minister and bring his expertise to government. He's now got more powers than he did previously. I think that Labour deciding to use an expert should be recognised and applauded

I agree. But that is what Reform as planning to do. Use industry leaders rather than careers spads.

placemats · 01/12/2025 13:46

Bumblebee72 · 01/12/2025 13:43

I agree. But that is what Reform as planning to do. Use industry leaders rather than careers spads.

What industry leaders would they be?

TopPocketFind · 01/12/2025 13:47

placemats · 01/12/2025 13:46

What industry leaders would they be?

Hopefully not the ones they used for their version of DOGE

Kleeneze · 01/12/2025 13:49

And yet they have a panel of tax experts advising them on tax policy reform to make taxes fairer and more growth focussed that they chose to totally and utterly ignore. Well done Labour!

placemats · 01/12/2025 13:50

Kleeneze · 01/12/2025 13:37

Why alongside welfare? Why? Why should we always spend more on welfare? For what reason? Why can’t I get something back for the taxes I pay? I’ve never claimed a benefit in my life, and am unlikely to get a state pension due to incoming meansyeating. Why can’t I get better services in exchange?

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Everyone gets a state pension if they've paid into the system. That includes carers who get a pittance on Carer's Allowance - which stops upon receiving pension. Currently Carer's get about £4 per hour.

SunnyViper · 01/12/2025 13:50

I voted Labour but I’ll never vote for them again. An utter shitshow.

EasternStandard · 01/12/2025 13:51

Kleeneze · 01/12/2025 13:49

And yet they have a panel of tax experts advising them on tax policy reform to make taxes fairer and more growth focussed that they chose to totally and utterly ignore. Well done Labour!

Higher taxes won’t help growth. Even Labour have uttered that. And yet £40bn and £26bn in extra taxes.

placemats · 01/12/2025 13:53

SunnyViper · 01/12/2025 13:50

I voted Labour but I’ll never vote for them again. An utter shitshow.

Labour are doing well given the last five years of total chaos that was the Tory party in charge.

Letsbe · 01/12/2025 13:53

When a lot of us were being paid for not working during the pandemic how did we think it was going to be paid for? When we left our major trading partners behind so we did have to follow those rules we knew it would cost us.

We have to do what Iceland did when the banking crash hit them work our way out of it. Change our way.

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