Is there anyone on here who voted Labour who is genuinely happy with how things are going

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I didn’t vote Labour, but was actually quite excited. We needed change, now I dint think that at all and although Tories weren’t great in many respects, this shit show feels worse! I’m so tired of our politicians just not doing what is best for the country and having to curtail to babk benchers/unions, lining their own pockets and wardrobes and generally just being untrustworthy.
i have no doubt Farage will get in next time, and it will be Keir’s fault.

"I remember the utter disgust over Kier's wife's free clothes, and yet all quiet on the billions worth of money and corruption under the tories"

That is so utterly not true - the papers and media properly went after Boris. And I say that despite thinking he was a useless nobhead!

The pp said incentivise in that post. Plus things will look different in twenty odd years with the workforce.

The vast majority of children who are born into poverty are done so at the parent choice. Don't use edge cases to obfuscate the core problem.

But they've given him a ministerial post so that he's got more powers to carry on his good work. How is that not a labour thing?

Agree - we need less people into the future with the development of technology not more.

This is actually really interesting.

i think we are in a time of (potential) realignment.

the tories are in the wilderness. Nobody went to their conference. It’s going to take the electorate a long time to forget Boris and Truss/Kwarteng. Many people who had relatives die during covid hold Boris and the tories pretty personally responsible (see: let the bodies pile high).

some people are voting for them anyway.

reform are taking a lot of what was the working class Tory vote. The anti-immigration, things are shit let’s roll the dice type people. That’s a pretty big vote segment but it’s not enough on its own to gain power in parliament (fine for running referendums though).

a lot of the more left leaning people are looking at Zack Polanski and the greens.

starmer is not stupid. The unpleasant stuff is being front loaded into this parliament so that as it gets closer to the next election he can have successes. It’s stupid to do it the other way round - have your successes in the first couple of years and then look shit just before the election.

for what it’s worth my prediction is that the next parliament will be more fractured. Some reform, some green, some Lib Dem and less Tory and Labour. It’ll then be a question of coalition.

Labour are dropping behind conservatives and greens in some polls. So the wilderness thing could be them.

Yes, we need people to have kids who are positive role models... so working, or working where possible, striving, educating yourself, learning skills, being contributors to society. What we don't want are more children from parents who are bringing up children to believe sitting on your backside and screwing the benefits system for all it's worth is the way to go.
What we are actually doing is discouraging the former and encouraging the latter.

The press is holding the government to account, as it should.

Reform won’t get in because of the scale of tactical voting.

I’m a Labour voter in a Labour constituency where Reform aren’t challenging. However, if I lived in a constituency where it was a toss up between Reform and Conservatives for winner, I’d hold my nose and vote Conservative.

So did the tories, they taxed people too, they pledged not to tax the richest, sigh.

Unfortunately tax is a dirty word in the UK, it's madness when the same people moan about nothing working.

They're a lot better than the Tories were

The Tories accidentally bumbled out of the single market, trashing the economy for years to come

Trashed state schools

Trashed the NHS and ambulance waiting times.

Absolutely useless.

Labour made a big deal of fully funded and fully costed at the GE and then they had a ‘one off’ tax hike last budget, then £26bn more again.

That’s a problem for them even if you are personally happy with higher taxes and welfare, you can see that in polling. And likely reflected in upcoming local elections.

How do you suggest a country decides who should have children and who shouldn't?

There's a reason why no other European countries rushed to copy us and leave the EU. Because it was an idiotic and self destructive thing to do.

It takes a village to raise child.

You only get one childhood. If it is impaired by poverty and deprivation, many never recover. When so many lives are damaged in this way, the whole of society suffers.

And to those posters espousing that those women claiming benefits should not get pregnant (irrespective of the circumstances): Who the fuck are you to dictate who can and who can't have a child?

That way lies fascism.

They said they wouldn't raise taxes for normal working people and that they wouldn't raise Income Tax, VAT and Corporation Tax.

Not many of us interpreted normal working people as it just meaning Dave from Runcorn. Or that not raising income tax was just the headline rate but every single variable around would change.

Well, we're the ones who end up picking up the bill.

We all share society.

If you are happy to leave children in poverty, that is your outlook.

I voted Labour. I’m not happy with everything they’re doing-I wouldn't expect to-but they are still the party that aligns closest to my political views and my personal philosophy.

I'm not happy to leave children in poverty. I'm furious with the parents who decide to have children in poverty - it is one of the most selfish actions you can make - bring a child into the world that you know is going to poor life changes and will suffer. Imagine sitting deciding to have a baby that you can't afford to feed.

We need to redefine poverty before we try and tackle it. Can't eradicate relative poverty. It's a meaningless, endless task as is.

Being furious with the parents is not going to help those children. Lifting the cap does.

We can help people in poverty regardless of the definition.

Being furious with parents isn’t actually gong to help. And, as an aside, if you go by Mumsnet, accidental pregnancies are incredibly common…..