Is there anyone on here who voted Labour who is genuinely happy with how things are going

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I didn’t vote Labour, but was actually quite excited. We needed change, now I dint think that at all and although Tories weren’t great in many respects, this shit show feels worse! I’m so tired of our politicians just not doing what is best for the country and having to curtail to babk benchers/unions, lining their own pockets and wardrobes and generally just being untrustworthy.
i have no doubt Farage will get in next time, and it will be Keir’s fault.

There were some very simple tax policies they could have introduced to inject some growth into the economy - suggested by both left wing and right wing think tanks - but they just totally ignored them. It’s just criminally poor government.

I agree with all this. To answer your point about being a similar shit show to the last lot OP, I wouldn’t go that far.

The Labour government has been incredibly badly organised in terms of communications primarily. Nearly everything that has pissed me off about them has been as a result of that. The budget was an exercise in really poor comms strategy (leaking, kite flying etc). There have been one or two actual policy failures in my view (eg winter fuel) but again this was mainly badly managed as I do think that benefit needed cutting for the richest, but just done with a bit more refinement. I think Starmer is too managerial and not inspiring enough at home, but I think he’s been great on the international stage in galvanising the Europeans over Ukraine, and handling Trump which much be incredibly difficult to say the least, and generally behaving like the adult in the room. That in itself is a relief after Boris Johnson and the way many of the Tories (Raab etc) behaved around Brexit. I also do think he has personal integrity and is basically one of the good guys, although I think he’s got too much reliance on Morgan McSweeney and this has weakened his leadership and resulted in the various cock-ups. He’s shown he’s got resilience and I’m hoping that his courage and fire now emerge a bit more on the domestic front.

The Tories on the other hand- where do we start. Literal corruption (PPE scandals etc), partygate, Dominic Cummings, Brexit, Johnson and proroguing parliament to name a few nightmares!!

I cannot see the logic (any logic) in voting for Reform just because you’re disappointed in Labour. It’s like saying you got pinched by a crab in the rock pool so you might as well jump into shark infested waters next time.

If you have any question marks lingering over Reform look no further than Nathan Gill, their former Welsh leader and longstanding right hand pal of Farage who’s just been jailed for 10 years for accepting bribes from Vladimir Putin!!

I think Reform will get in. I won’t vote for them but plenty will. Labour needs to address the soaring health / disability bill and ditch the triple lock before anyone can take them remotely seriously as a party. And they’re too scared of their not-very-bright’rebel’ MPs to do this.

They didn't refuse to investigate the rape gangs. Governments don't investigate crime; that's what the police are for. They refused to hold a public inquiry on the grounds that there had already been one - a point which seems to be completely lost on the screamers for justice (suddenly, several years late they care) cheered on by the Tories who failed to implement any of the recommendations from the last public inquiry.

Thousands of parents in receipt of UC work and pay tax.

Are you saying that you would vote for a party that would push these families into poverty?

I voted them, and I'm not unhappy with what's happening. I do feel they could have given everyone £500 last budget and people would still be angry with them. But the last government were so awful I feel more positive (even though we are worse off after the budget).

I don't understand anyone wanting to vote reform based on their manifesto (unless they are only doing so because of the immigrants). It's a disaster waiting to happen and I genuinely fear for the future as they are more than likely to get in.

Me. Yes I’m ok with what’s happening. Some things I’m pleased about (especially bringing back Sure Start, called something else now, Best Start?) and I think the kite flying on the budget was done as an attempt to prevent what happened with the winter fuel payment when they brought out an obviously needed policy which had been promoted by some commentators, and got slashed at the knees, they’ve decided I think to try to spread more things over a longer period to fuzz the news cycle.

I’m pleased that Starmer has done so much to rebuild international relationships - that’s not easy work and it takes time. I still feel just relief that the government is serious and that ministers stay in post longer than 5 minutes.

Reform are very obviously selling time and access to anyone who will pay, like the Russian government and that anti abortion bunch from the US. I don’t want to be sold by them.

But that is what society is about ... those fit and well and able to earn help those who are not so fortunate. Or would you favour some other system?

They’ve taxed people more after pledging not to and given some £500 or whatever it is that’s the issue for them.

I agree with posters upthread who are basically saying that the media are talking the electorate into voting reform, who are basically a small whacky fringe element.

The latest research shows that brexit is costing us 250m a day or 90 billion pounds in lost tax revenue per year, every year with the overall economy 8% smaller than it would have been had we not left the EU.

Theres not a government that exists who could make the country work better with such a gaping hole in spending power.

It baffles me that Farage ultimately pushed brexit over the line yet reform voters think thats exactly what we need more of.

Everyone is poorer, were more isolated, living standards dropping, everything has been enshittified and the country has never been more down on itself.

A couple with 2 kids would be defined as being ‘in poverty’ if their income after housing was less than £407 a week (£1,763 a month. Full time minimum wage is £20,200 each net a month. So that’s £3,360 a month household income. You’ve got to have VERY high housing costs if you’re in poverty with 2 parents working full time.

On this I agree. Not enough spotlight is put upon timsons work - the man absolutely deserves a knighthood. I don't know any other millionaires entrepreneurs who does as much for ex offenders him.not a Labour achievement though, he's been doing his work for decades unrecognised and undervalued.

Nobody "needs" any children....

Sorry .... wrong post quoted ...

Absolutely this. But we can't mention this elephant in the room as it was what Britain wanted

Quite we need to find ways to incentivise whose who have the resources and disincentivise those who don't. That is in the best of interest of children.

I don't think that explains his immediate introduction of 2 tier justice, the curtailing of free speech and the blatant double standards on almost every topic.

They did not pledge not to tax people 😂

I’m not talking about those families. I don’t begrudge anyone claiming support when they are out working. But even still no one needs 3/4/5 children if they can’t afford it. Shouldn’t be the tax payer responsibility.

We do actually need people to have children.

Did you miss the word more?

I don't get this 'two tier justice' thing - it's quite usual to hand out severe sentences/punishments during riots, because it's in everyone's interests for them to stop. I'm also not sure what you mean by 'curtailing free speech' - if anything we can say more now than under the Tories, because let's remember it was on their watch, not Labour's, that we could only reiterate a particular ideological view of what a woman was, for example.....

Well yes, except that then the British public will need to accept that a drop in birthdates does mean that immigration is needed.

So anyone who finds they are expecting a third child should be expected to kill it (accidents happen particularly as contraceptive services have been cut right back), what about twins, triplets?
What about if you are a two parent family with three children and an accident, illness, redundancy or death happens.
Yes the feckless will always be with us but I would hope they are few and far between.
And don't forget the 30 free hours for childcare - I know of families where both parents are working and are subsidised by £4000 per month as government pays a big chunk of their nursery fees.