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Is the renaming of Dublin’s Herzog Park antisemitic?

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OpheliaIsntMad · 30/11/2025 00:19

I think it is . Why make this decision at a time when anti semitism is increasing?

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Beachtastic · 30/11/2025 11:50

EddyNeddy · 30/11/2025 10:48

Of course the war was one-sided. You can’t genuinely believe it wasn’t?

On the one hand, you have tinpot paramilitary groups firing off home-made missiles. On the other, you have one of the strongest and most experienced military forces in the world, with overwhelming superiority in skill, arms and firepower.

There’s a clear difference between missiles cobbled together from whatever construction materials are available and laser-guided precision air strikes.

This difference is also made clear by how few Palestinian missile attacks on Israel there have been since the first couple of months of the war - their infrastructure has been destroyed.

Additionally, I don’t get the point of bewailing what might have happened if the Iron Dome didn’t exist. It exists. It’s existed for years. Israelis know it exists. Palestinians know it exists. Palestinian armed groups fire their missiles in the knowledge that the vast majority headed for populated areas will get shot down. It’s far more about the psychological and disruptive impact, which I absolutely do not deny - while also recognising that the trauma endured by Palestinians, with no Iron Dome, no shelters, and facing far more dangerous missile attacks, is of a far greater magnitude.

"tinpot paramilitary groups" can also cause a lot of harm, as evidenced by 7/10.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 30/11/2025 11:53

Ruby1985 · 30/11/2025 11:49

Because it’s up to each country do as they please, in their country. It’s as simple as!

Is it? There are an awful lot of potentially terrible ramifications with that.

TheLittleMermoo · 30/11/2025 11:56

OpheliaIsntMad · 30/11/2025 00:34

It’s good to hear that.
Ireland has had a good reputation in the past for treating people from minority groups fairly. I think that reputation has been badly damaged recently.

Ireland has had a good reputation in the past for treating people from minority groups fairly

Does it? Maybe have a think about why so many Irish travellers choose to relocate to the UK.

OpheliaIsntMad · 30/11/2025 12:04

Alltheprettyseahorses · 30/11/2025 11:53

Is it? There are an awful lot of potentially terrible ramifications with that.

Yes - it’s an appalling thing to say - it implies that each country can treat minorities however badly they wish

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EddyNeddy · 30/11/2025 12:41

Beachtastic · 30/11/2025 11:50

"tinpot paramilitary groups" can also cause a lot of harm, as evidenced by 7/10.

Yes, when they get lucky, and benefit from the element of surprise. But that’s not a tactic you can repeat all that frequently - made clear from the fact that it has been 50 years since we saw the Arab states do the same thing in the Yom Kippur War.

And it only worked because the Israeli government had got lazy about the Gaza border. Netanyahu had arrogantly convinced himself that he had successfully bought Hamas off, and was therefore happy to transfer countless IDF units to defend the illegal settlements in the West Bank - in accordance with the wishes of his far-right coalition partners - leaving the kibbutzim in the Gaza envelope, and their left-leaning populations who don’t vote for him, undefended.

TheGirlWhoWantedToBeGod · 30/11/2025 13:24

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Quick! We better rename everything named after a white Christian man, as Vladimir Putin is one of those and he’s committed horrific war crimes.

OpheliaIsntMad · 30/11/2025 13:44

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg4nk2vp3n2o?at_campaign_type=owned&at_medium=social&at_link_origin=BBCWorld&at_link_type=web_link&at_campaign=Social_Flow&at_bbc_team=editorial&xtor=AL-71-%5Bpartner%5D-%5Bbbc.news.twitter%5D-%5Bheadline%5D-%5Bnews%5D-%5Bbizdev%5D-%5Bisapi%5D&utm_social_handle_id=742143&utm_social_post_id=611203344&at_ptr_name=twitter&at_link_id=5743A76A-CDF2-11F0-AC42-B4B0B4874222&at_format=link

Micheál Martin, a man with grey hair, a blue jacket and white shirt.

Taoiseach calls for Herzog Park renaming plan to be withdrawn

The park is named after Belfast-born and Dublin-raised Chaim Herzog, a former president of Israel.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg4nk2vp3n2o?at_campaign_type=owned&at_medium=social&at_link_origin=BBCWorld&at_link_type=web_link&at_campaign=Social_Flow&at_bbc_team=editorial&xtor=AL-71-%5Bpartner%5D-%5Bbbc.news.twitter%5D-%5Bheadline%5D-%5Bnews%5D-%5Bbizdev%5D-%5Bisapi%5D&utm_social_handle_id=742143&utm_social_post_id=611203344&at_ptr_name=twitter&at_link_id=5743A76A-CDF2-11F0-AC42-B4B0B4874222&at_format=link

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dairydebris · 30/11/2025 13:52

Yes its antisemitic.

And heartening to see that while there's the usual vocal antisemites on here thinking its appropriate to hold a long dead Jew accountable for the crimes of the current Israeli administration- 70% of people can see the truth.

JaneJeffer · 30/11/2025 14:48

Beachtastic · 30/11/2025 11:48

apart from Jews. The Irish voice was very strong on the anti-Israel posts on the Conflict in the Middle East forum. I think there was an emotional tendency to view Hamas as "freedom fighters" like the IRA (!).

Or just maybe Irish people don’t like to hear about tens of thousands of innocent people being killed.

OpheliaIsntMad · 30/11/2025 14:50

JaneJeffer · 30/11/2025 14:48

Or just maybe Irish people don’t like to hear about tens of thousands of innocent people being killed.

That’s not a justification for erasing Jewish names from Dublin’s public spaces.

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JaneJeffer · 30/11/2025 14:53

OpheliaIsntMad · 30/11/2025 14:50

That’s not a justification for erasing Jewish names from Dublin’s public spaces.

??

Westfacing · 30/11/2025 14:56

dairydebris · 30/11/2025 13:52

Yes its antisemitic.

And heartening to see that while there's the usual vocal antisemites on here thinking its appropriate to hold a long dead Jew accountable for the crimes of the current Israeli administration- 70% of people can see the truth.

Herzog is not just a long-dead Jewish person though is he?

He left Ireland aged 18 and became Israel's president!

For some reason a park was named after him, and just as other 'great and the good' his history has been re-visited.

OpheliaIsntMad · 30/11/2025 15:02

JaneJeffer · 30/11/2025 14:53

??

The topic of this thread is the renaming of the park in Dublin .

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OpheliaIsntMad · 30/11/2025 15:06

Westfacing · 30/11/2025 14:56

Herzog is not just a long-dead Jewish person though is he?

He left Ireland aged 18 and became Israel's president!

For some reason a park was named after him, and just as other 'great and the good' his history has been re-visited.

Context is everything-
This is a time of increasing antisemitism across Europe.
Jewish people have been threatened and attacked across Europe. It sends a message that Jewish people living outside Israel can/ should be held responsible for Gaza.

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BackToLurk · 30/11/2025 15:09

Ireland has always seemed to have a problem with antisemitism. I assume the dominance of the Catholic Church goes some way to explain it.

JaneJeffer · 30/11/2025 15:09

OpheliaIsntMad · 30/11/2025 15:02

The topic of this thread is the renaming of the park in Dublin .

Yes but I was replying to a specific post and I didn’t mention the park at all

OpheliaIsntMad · 30/11/2025 15:13

JaneJeffer · 30/11/2025 15:09

Yes but I was replying to a specific post and I didn’t mention the park at all

So what is your view of the thread question?

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TheLittleMermoo · 30/11/2025 15:15

JaneJeffer · 30/11/2025 14:53

??

?! Its literally the point of this thread 😅

JaneJeffer · 30/11/2025 15:18

TheLittleMermoo · 30/11/2025 15:15

?! Its literally the point of this thread 😅

What is?

JaneJeffer · 30/11/2025 15:19

OpheliaIsntMad · 30/11/2025 15:13

So what is your view of the thread question?

I don’t know why they want to do it

TheLittleMermoo · 30/11/2025 15:21

JaneJeffer · 30/11/2025 15:18

What is?

What do you mean, "what is"? You see the big black bolded title at the top kf the page love? Those are thread subjects. They're used to give you a pointer as to what a threads discussion is about X

OpheliaIsntMad · 30/11/2025 15:24

JaneJeffer · 30/11/2025 15:19

I don’t know why they want to do it

Well if you had bothered to read the thread you might get some clues … ( the answer is antisemitism by the way )

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JaneJeffer · 30/11/2025 15:25

TheLittleMermoo · 30/11/2025 15:21

What do you mean, "what is"? You see the big black bolded title at the top kf the page love? Those are thread subjects. They're used to give you a pointer as to what a threads discussion is about X

So you mean I can only talk to the OP and not reply to someone else then lovey? Ok bye then

Westfacing · 30/11/2025 15:31

OpheliaIsntMad · 30/11/2025 15:06

Context is everything-
This is a time of increasing antisemitism across Europe.
Jewish people have been threatened and attacked across Europe. It sends a message that Jewish people living outside Israel can/ should be held responsible for Gaza.

Unfortunately, there is indeed increased antisemitism across Europe but that doesn't mean we can't criticise Israel - is it beyond reproach?

If Jewish people in Europe support the current Netanyahu government then yes they can be held responsible for Gaza. Many young European Jews do military service in Israel, often in the Occupied Territories - is that OK?

RosaMundi27 · 30/11/2025 15:44

It is antisemitic, no ifs or buts please. The erasure of the Irish Jewish community and their contribution to Irish life is well underway. As an Irish citizen I am deeply concerned at how antisemitic Ireland is. It seems to me to be a perfect storm of several things:

  1. A hangover from Catholic antisemitism
  2. The unhistorical and inaccurate conflation of Irish insuregency with the Palestinian/Israeli conflict
  3. A weird cultural/national belief that we are the best and most moral people in the world.
  4. Left-wing antisemtism which is baked into Sinn Fein/IRA politics.

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