Is the renaming of Dublin’s Herzog Park antisemitic?

[OpheliaIsntMad]

I think it is . Why make this decision at a time when anti semitism is increasing?

You mean "the old defensive action against the deadliest terrorist attack in Israel's history."

FFS, a bit of the old terrorism is really effective, isn't it?

You've got people erasing the memories of Jewish people and flying flags in support of terrorists who attacked thousands, and kidnapped an 8 year old girl from her home and gang-raped her until her pelvis dislocated. Oh, and a high ranking official then declared that 'we will repeat the attacks until Israel is annihilated.'

But inaccurate labelling really does work on the useful idiots, clearly.

Yup

Down to the genocide

Let's just call a spade a spade shall we

It's called integrity

Because renaming a park is not the same thing as mob violence. You’re being ridiculous.

This is the opposite of integrity. This action doesn’t help the people in Gaza but it will make Irish Jews feel less safe .

Or the more than 50,000 Christians killed in Nigeria over the last four years.

Yes it's anti-semetic. As an Irish person I am appalled but unfortunately not surprised at it.

It starts with erasing the Jewish names from public places …. It ends with violence.
We've been here before… it’s horrifying

How exactly does sodomising Palestinian detainees help defend against terror?

I don’t understand why pro-Israel zealots like yourself want to make everything so black and white. I am someone who supports Israel’s continued existence as a Jewish state within its 1967 borders - but that doesn’t mean I have to enthusiastically support every distasteful thing the Israeli government does.

October 7th was an atrocity, and of course the Israeli people were left incredibly traumatised. But it could also have easily been avoided if so many IDF units hadn’t been stationed in the West Bank guarding the ever growing number of illegal settlements, leaving only a skeleton force that was easily overrun on the Gaza border. It was Netanyahu’s arrogance, thinking he’d ‘solved’ the Gaza problem, that made it possible.

Also, why is it that you believe the trauma of Israelis from October 7th - one day - justifies any and every brutality against Palestinians, however vaguely it can be construed as ‘defensive’, but the unimaginable trauma that Palestinian civilians endured across 2 entire years does not? Why the double standard? Why is only one group allowed to process their trauma and anger with violence?

No it doesn’t. You’re being wilfully obtuse.

Germany has worked hard to rehabilitate their reputation. Maybe Israel could do the same rather than shooting unarmed people surrendering etc etc etc

Well there's plenty of violence going on in Gaza and the West Bank. It is truly horrifying.

Do you think the war was one-sided and that only Israel was bombing the other side? Because Palestine fired tens of thousands of missiles at Israel including 2,500 when they first committed their terrorist attack of mass slaughter (Palestine claimed they'd launched more). It's only because Israel has such a good defence system that they didn't suffer mass casualties from their attackers. Would you, I wonder, be bewailing the loss of life in Israel caused by Palestine if those missiles achieved what Palestine wanted?

Many Irish people are Jewish and not responsible for what's happening in Gaza. They have the right to feel safe and comfortable living in their home country - Ireland. What's nonsense about that?

Calling out the wrongness of a genocide is one thing. Effectively blaming all Jews for it, regardless of their nationality,is, imo, wrong.

Well if Dublin has any parks named for Palestinians they should rename them as well.

Exactly this

They changed it to Hind Rijab park

Fitting tribute to an innocent child brutally slain 💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔

Of course the war was one-sided. You can’t genuinely believe it wasn’t?

On the one hand, you have tinpot paramilitary groups firing off home-made missiles. On the other, you have one of the strongest and most experienced military forces in the world, with overwhelming superiority in skill, arms and firepower.

There’s a clear difference between missiles cobbled together from whatever construction materials are available and laser-guided precision air strikes.

This difference is also made clear by how few Palestinian missile attacks on Israel there have been since the first couple of months of the war - their infrastructure has been destroyed.

Additionally, I don’t get the point of bewailing what might have happened if the Iron Dome didn’t exist. It exists. It’s existed for years. Israelis know it exists. Palestinians know it exists. Palestinian armed groups fire their missiles in the knowledge that the vast majority headed for populated areas will get shot down. It’s far more about the psychological and disruptive impact, which I absolutely do not deny - while also recognising that the trauma endured by Palestinians, with no Iron Dome, no shelters, and facing far more dangerous missile attacks, is of a far greater magnitude.

All the back and forth here is irrelevant to the question originally asked.

I replied first and quite frankly think I nailed it . And I am also a fervent Palestine supporter.
This attempt to diminish individual achievement because of their religion or race is so unfair .
And where does it end ? Do you dismantle churches and cathedrals because of Catholic Church abuse ? Rename anything beginning with Saint ?

Or globally ? Rename JFK airport because of his appalling treatment of women ? Tear down Hampton Court because of Henry VII?
Some semblance of acceptance that the past is history and we go hopefully learn from it is needed.

It should have been possible to find another way to honour little Hind Rijab’s memory.
Herzog isn’t responsible for her death .

Absolutely agree

But that is not the responsibility of Jewish people elsewhere

I agree

It isn't Israel's fault there are no defence systems in Palestine. That doesn't make the war one-sided.

Anyway, back to the point of the thread - yes the renaming is antisemitism. Palestine is just an excuse for it.

apart from Jews. The Irish voice was very strong on the anti-Israel posts on the Conflict in the Middle East forum. I think there was an emotional tendency to view Hamas as "freedom fighters" like the IRA (!).

Because it’s up to each country do as they please, in their country. It’s as simple as!