Is the renaming of Dublin’s Herzog Park antisemitic?

[OpheliaIsntMad]

I think it is . Why make this decision at a time when anti semitism is increasing?

His son sending a message to the people of Palestine, #notinmyname
Not anti Semitic but definitely anti any Israeli who supports such actions.

I think this thread has run its course as the proposal has now been withdrawn.
However I did want to say how pleased I was to see the unequivocal and powerful comments by the Irish Taoiseach.

“Martin, who is the leader of Fianna Fáil, said that the proposal would erase the distinctive and rich contribution to Irish life of the Jewish community over many decades, including participation in the Irish War of Independence and the emerging Irish State.
"The proposal is a denial of our history... and will without any doubt be seen as anti-Semitic," he said.
"It is overtly divisive and wrong.
"Our Irish Jewish community's contribution to our country's evolution in its many forms should always be cherished and generously acknowledged."

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg4nk2vp3n2o.amp

Thanks for sharing this thread, I agree encouraging in a way a lot of these threads are not.

He wasn't just some random Jew though was he? He was literally head of the Israeli state during a period when the Israeli attitude towards Palestinians could hardly be classed as peace, love, sunshine, daisies and understanding.

The Irish Jewish community is feeling under siege during a time of increasing antisemitism.
Removing Jewish names from Irish public places in response to what is going on in another country is clearly divisive and antisemitic.
There are much better ways to support Palestinians . This proposed action helps no one and hurts the Jewish community.

"The Irish Jewish community is feeling under siege"

I don't think so. Why on earth would they feel under siege??

Are you Irish Jewish, or even Jewish?

If not, then you have no business commenting.

Irish Jews are quite rightly feeling persecuted, in a time when Anti-Semitism in Ireland has reached record levels. Many have left the country, as they feel unsafe.

It is worth listening to minority voices, rather than dismissing their lived experiences.

For the best it isn't going ahead. Quite apart from anything else, not a good look to do this whilst in the same city you've still got a statue to a Nazi hobnobber who died on a U-boat.

Glad they cancelled it. Such a bad look.

Interesting question and discussion. Id like to ask from a different perspective and not to trigger an argument.
What i don't understand is why some renamings are unacceptable while others are ok. So for example Bishop Lucey Park is supposed to be renamed and thats ok. There will be a chorus of Catholic Church this, that and the other to justify it. So while I don't agree with renaming of Herzog Park and its been withdrawn. It seems not all names and historical achievements are equal.

Are you Irish Jewish, or even Jewish? If not, then you have no business commenting.

Censorship???

Irish Jews are quite rightly feeling persecuted in a time when Anti-Semitism in Ireland has reached record levels.

Who is persecuting them? Any evidence?

You cannot speak for the lived experience of a minority which you are not part of. This is not censorship, it is commonsense and human decency.

There is a great deal of evidence of an increase in antisemitism, including violent attacks, across Europe.
The Jewish population in Ireland is tiny and it is understandable if they feel vulnerable. If you can’t understand why then you need to do a bit of research.

I think it’s all about context and motivation.
In this instance we have a Jewish community in Ireland that will feel even more marginalised if this proposal had gone through.
I can’t see that the motivation is to help Palestinians as there is no benefit to them . I therefore think the motivation is antisemitic .

We know what Ireland’s attitude to Jews/Israel is like. I’ve got relatives there who are appalled at what goes on there.
There are barely any Jews left in Dublin now. It’s very sad.

Quote aside from anything else, it has blown my mind that Dublin City Council decided this was a priority. They are, hands down, the most incompetence bunch of imbeciles anyone's ever come across. There are so many practical problems in the city that need attention. Yet, they focus on this. 🙄

Remember Ireland was neutral in WW2 and sent condolences to Germany on the death of Hitler…

That said many Irish fought with the allies via the British Army because defeating Hitler was the right thing to do.

Modern Ireland seems to have swallowed
the Kool-Aid now, and increasing numbers of people following certain religions that don’t like Israel
may have something to do with it.

Yes that's key. Also, Ireland has only ever had a tiny Jewish population.

I grew up in NI. Catholic, but influenced by British media. I now live in Dublin.

It's only recently that I've realised that a the WW2 dramas which referenced the holocaust, that I grew up with didn't get much air time in ROI. I guess because it was a bit embarrassing for the powers that be to comb over that period of history,

We all did history at school which covered WW2 and to say Irish people don’t know about the holocaust is a ridiculous statement.

I didn't say they didn't know about it. I know it's taught. But the cultural involvement and deep engagement with it is notably different.

Well said - I am embarrassed by the smugness of the Irish at the moment over Palestine. Everyone seems to have lost their collective reason. And no I don’t think it’s ok but there is something unhinged about the reaction.

We know what Ireland’s attitude to Jews/Israel is like.

Really?? So what is Ireland's attitude to Jews? And what is their attitude to Israel?? Because you can't just lump the 2 in together. And actually here's a thriving synagogue in Dublin. There are loads of Jews in Dublin. Why are you spreading untruths??

And they may yet vote on renaming that park. It was only postponed due to an admin error, no other reason.

Notably different to what??