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To think Britain is getting more racist ?

235 replies

JifNtGif · 28/11/2025 15:29

Overt anti "foreigner" / anti non-white discussions appear to be normalised at times these days. I don't remember this in previous decades. Was it just under the surface ?

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PracticallyPeapod · 30/11/2025 16:29

There is no doubt that people feel more comfortable expressing openly racists views.

I have never heard people so angry as I have this weekend about the lifting of the 2 child benefit cap. Low wage working people feel that migrants with multiple children are going to gain from this, and be better off they are working.

ThePolarEspresso · 30/11/2025 16:29

pocketpairs · 30/11/2025 16:21

People are just uniformed (or just watch too much GB new!).

Let me try to explain one argument for immigration in simple terms...people are required to sustain an economy and drive economic growth. The current England and Wales birth rate is 1.41 (meaning for every 2 people that die, only 1.41 on average are born). The required birth rate to sustain a stable population is 2.1. As the birth rate is so low, especially in economies with aging populations, you need immigration.

The NHS and the care sector would collapse without immigrants propping them up. But people just don't like seeing (too many) brown / black faces.

Plus there statistically no evidence that immigrants commit more crime than British born people.

Let me explain it to you, too many don't seem to want to see white faces, hence reduced appearance on TV, over represented in abortion, assisted suicide stats and projected white genocide according to some, in the West.

For those bad at maths, if you bring in those with high portions of HIV/inbreeding they require more care, so you spiral more to care for them wjo require more care.

If in Canada as sone say, the India medics to over there euthenise or abort (telling lies that the baby is disableded) white people in over representing numbers, taking them for mugs, If it is true, that is what is going on over there, it's genocide. Lifesite news BTW isn't run by a white man.

thepariscrimefiles · 30/11/2025 16:32

ThePolarEspresso · 30/11/2025 16:21

Canada looks quite racist to me, this is why I think people want to stop looking at the maths, they don't want it to be true.

www.westernstandard.news/news/assisted-suicide-primarily-privileged-white-people-as-canada-leads-global-organ-market/50796

How is this racist when primarily privileged white people are voluntarily choosing an assisted death? I think privileged white people are less likely to be religious and therefore are less likely to have ethical or religious concerns about assisting dying.

ThePolarEspresso · 30/11/2025 16:33

thepariscrimefiles · 30/11/2025 16:32

How is this racist when primarily privileged white people are voluntarily choosing an assisted death? I think privileged white people are less likely to be religious and therefore are less likely to have ethical or religious concerns about assisting dying.

Where do atheist white privilege people get their world views that lead them to self destruction?

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 30/11/2025 16:36

I do think anti semitism is on the rise, having become almost ‘fashionable’, but IMO a lot of the ‘anti-foreigner’ stuff is down to people being heartily sick of the huge numbers - of mostly young men - arriving on the boats, and costing a fortune to house, when the country has such a dire shortage of halfway decent, affordable housing for those already here, whether native or not.

thepariscrimefiles · 30/11/2025 16:42

ThePolarEspresso · 30/11/2025 16:29

Let me explain it to you, too many don't seem to want to see white faces, hence reduced appearance on TV, over represented in abortion, assisted suicide stats and projected white genocide according to some, in the West.

For those bad at maths, if you bring in those with high portions of HIV/inbreeding they require more care, so you spiral more to care for them wjo require more care.

If in Canada as sone say, the India medics to over there euthenise or abort (telling lies that the baby is disableded) white people in over representing numbers, taking them for mugs, If it is true, that is what is going on over there, it's genocide. Lifesite news BTW isn't run by a white man.

Edited

These are just the insane ramblings of a racist conspiracy theorist.

ThePolarEspresso · 30/11/2025 16:44

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0j1z14p57po

I don't know if anyone had verified this BBC article, I am too lazy to do so.

15,300 is a lot less white middle class atheist faces that paid lots of tax, some don't care aren't here and a lot of organs sold.

Medically-assisted dying – also known as voluntary euthanasia – accounted for 4.7% of deaths in Canada in 2023, new government data shows.
The country's fifth annual report since euthanasia was legalised in 2016 showed around 15,300 people underwent assisted dying last year after being successful in their applications.

A photo of the Canadian flag flying in front of Parliament Hill in Ottawa, Canada.

Assisted dying now accounts for one in 20 Canada deaths

For the first time, the annual report delved into race and ethnic data of those who underwent assisted dying.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0j1z14p57po

thepariscrimefiles · 30/11/2025 16:45

ThePolarEspresso · 30/11/2025 16:33

Where do atheist white privilege people get their world views that lead them to self destruction?

Many people, including myself, would choose a peaceful assisted death over suffering the pain and indignity of a horrible terminal illness or the slow slide into dementia.

ThePolarEspresso · 30/11/2025 16:46

thepariscrimefiles · 30/11/2025 16:45

Many people, including myself, would choose a peaceful assisted death over suffering the pain and indignity of a horrible terminal illness or the slow slide into dementia.

You can do that now, what you want to do is start a pathway in law to take children and the vulnerable with you.

If you think others are wrong then show us how.

Southernecho · 30/11/2025 17:14

GentleOlive · 30/11/2025 12:19

None of what you have said is facts. It’s just some opinions.

The immigration numbers are only marginally down because of some minor changes to made to system in 2023.

In any case, Labour will get pasted and out of power in too distant future. You can shout their virtues from the rooftops then. They will need some die hard supporters like you.

Not a die hard supporter at all but you wrote some very clear and provable "untruths"
Immigration has gone from 1.2m under Sunak and Badenoch to just over 200k now
Marginal is not a 1m drop, what school did you go too?

Your predictions may yet prove very wrong in 3.5 years time.

GentleOlive · 30/11/2025 17:19

Southernecho · 30/11/2025 17:14

Not a die hard supporter at all but you wrote some very clear and provable "untruths"
Immigration has gone from 1.2m under Sunak and Badenoch to just over 200k now
Marginal is not a 1m drop, what school did you go too?

Your predictions may yet prove very wrong in 3.5 years time.

Immigration was 900k in the latest year. Prove me wrong.

You simply don’t know what you’re talking about. And my predictions about the future are likely to be more accurate than yours since you are not even up to speed on facts about the present.

moderate · 30/11/2025 17:32

JifNtGif · 28/11/2025 19:16

So you think racism is justifiable based on a perception of immigration?

What racism? Quote it.

floppybit · 30/11/2025 17:43

I’ve lived abroad in a few countries and they were far more racist than the UK.

ThePolarEspresso · 30/11/2025 17:46

floppybit · 30/11/2025 17:43

I’ve lived abroad in a few countries and they were far more racist than the UK.

It's gone around the world like a joke that you can leverage the accusation at the English who attack each other and back you up - like mugs in denial.

TempestTost · 30/11/2025 21:00

pocketpairs · 30/11/2025 15:31

Racist people don't like being told they're racist..hmmm.

People are dissatisfied with thier lives and looking for someone to blame, migrants are the current boogeyman.

These same people will end up voting for the privately educated multi millionaire Farage, who they think if the common man. They'll also smile with glee about brexit and not be able to articulate a single benefit.

A situation that is really burned on my mind from the last few years speaks to this issue, imo.

I was at work. Usually in the day, we have quite a number of unhoused people. One man in particular, I'll call him George, a man of about 50, was there, as usual, on the computer. He'd been living at the shelter up the road for a few months while trying to find an apartment, which were in very short supply. He wasn't getting many calls, the couple he'd had were from places that were too awful to consider, full of drugs, or vermin, or both.

We also frequently have new arrivals from overseas, be they students or workers (not many refugees where I am) coming in to photocopy documents. And every one of them is staying some place, in an apartment o room, or in some cases in specially built housing for nurses. At least a few a day. Some even work with us, there are three out of about 20 employees who are newcomers within the last 5 years. One in an apartment, two in houses they've bought.

I think you have to be pretty massively lacking in empathy and imagination to not understand what it means to have a shelter that holds 30, as well as a number sleeping rough at any given time, while at the same time people are coming from away who have managed to secure decent housing.

Racists my ass.

Themagicfarawaytreeismyfav · 30/11/2025 22:15

inkognitha · 28/11/2025 17:00

As long as the left amalgamates to racism any criticism of cultural differences or the sensible idea that people born here don’t want to feel like they re just a community among others (and a vilified one, full of gammons, oiks and karens because they’re so unsavoury to the elites), racism will keep on rising

As long as the left keeps on bending over for Hamas and Hezbollah because of self-hatred and sheer ignorance, antisemitism will keep on rising

As long as the left refuses to enforce sensible immigration rules and border control, racism will keep on rising

Edited

Absolutely spot on!

pocketpairs · 30/11/2025 23:07

TempestTost · 30/11/2025 21:00

A situation that is really burned on my mind from the last few years speaks to this issue, imo.

I was at work. Usually in the day, we have quite a number of unhoused people. One man in particular, I'll call him George, a man of about 50, was there, as usual, on the computer. He'd been living at the shelter up the road for a few months while trying to find an apartment, which were in very short supply. He wasn't getting many calls, the couple he'd had were from places that were too awful to consider, full of drugs, or vermin, or both.

We also frequently have new arrivals from overseas, be they students or workers (not many refugees where I am) coming in to photocopy documents. And every one of them is staying some place, in an apartment o room, or in some cases in specially built housing for nurses. At least a few a day. Some even work with us, there are three out of about 20 employees who are newcomers within the last 5 years. One in an apartment, two in houses they've bought.

I think you have to be pretty massively lacking in empathy and imagination to not understand what it means to have a shelter that holds 30, as well as a number sleeping rough at any given time, while at the same time people are coming from away who have managed to secure decent housing.

Racists my ass.

..and the moral of the story is "it's OK to hate someone who cares for your elderly relative stuck in an old person's home, while earning minimum wage, as long as life's a but crappy for you"

Got it.

Southernecho · 01/12/2025 08:33

GentleOlive · 30/11/2025 17:19

Immigration was 900k in the latest year. Prove me wrong.

You simply don’t know what you’re talking about. And my predictions about the future are likely to be more accurate than yours since you are not even up to speed on facts about the present.

Edited

Ha so you are going on about migration, not the accepted figure of Net Migration, when talking about pop. growth.

We had 1.2m net migration under the Tories, just over 200k net this year.

Apologies for assuming you were up to speed on migration.

GentleOlive · 01/12/2025 19:57

Southernecho · 01/12/2025 08:33

Ha so you are going on about migration, not the accepted figure of Net Migration, when talking about pop. growth.

We had 1.2m net migration under the Tories, just over 200k net this year.

Apologies for assuming you were up to speed on migration.

What’s your point? Other than finally accepting that you don’t understand the difference between immigration and net migration.

BlakeCarrington · 02/12/2025 10:51

cardibach · 30/11/2025 16:06

Because it’s completely irrelevant. I’m not engaging with you further.

How convenient for you.

TempestTost · 02/12/2025 10:55

pocketpairs · 30/11/2025 23:07

..and the moral of the story is "it's OK to hate someone who cares for your elderly relative stuck in an old person's home, while earning minimum wage, as long as life's a but crappy for you"

Got it.

Yes, living for months in the homeless shelter is just a bundle of joy.

If you believe that I suggest that you go try volunteering in one, Lots of opportunities in the Christmas season.

Currently I'm trying to hook up a 70 year old lady who won't go to the shelter, because she is scared of the addicts, so she is sleeping rough, as she also cannot find housing. Her situation is a bundle of joy too.

7563l · 02/12/2025 10:59

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Didyousaysomethingdarling · 04/12/2025 20:59

“That’s Racist!” - Crewkerne Gazette ft. Keir Starmer

CurlewKate · 05/12/2025 01:56

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This has been withdrawn by MNHQ at the user's request.

Could you give some examples of services being too accommodating to “cultural practices”?

nomas · 05/12/2025 02:34

TempestTost · 02/12/2025 10:55

Yes, living for months in the homeless shelter is just a bundle of joy.

If you believe that I suggest that you go try volunteering in one, Lots of opportunities in the Christmas season.

Currently I'm trying to hook up a 70 year old lady who won't go to the shelter, because she is scared of the addicts, so she is sleeping rough, as she also cannot find housing. Her situation is a bundle of joy too.

We also frequently have new arrivals from overseas, be they students or workers (not many refugees where I am) coming in to photocopy documents. And every one of them is staying some place, in an apartment o room, or in some cases in specially built housing for nurses. At least a few a day. Some even work with us, there are three out of about 20 employees who are newcomers within the last 5 years. One in an apartment, two in houses they've bought.

I don’t understand the point you’re making here. Are you saying that the students and workers are entitled to council housing or other free temporary accommodation and that George isn’t? Or are you saying that it’s not fair that the students and workers have the means to secure accommodation with their own money and that it’s not fair that George doesn’t have the money to secure his own own accommodation? If yes, how is that the fault of the students and workers?

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