Page 8 | To think Britain is getting more racist ?

JifNtGif · 2025-11-28T15:29:37+00:00

Overt anti "foreigner" / anti non-white discussions appear to be normalised at times these days. I don't remember this in previous decades. Was it just under the surface ?

GentleOlive · 30/11/2025 12:19

Southernecho · 30/11/2025 11:26

Nope, you need to check your facts, Labour are in power, its ALL on them.... or do you believe Reeves that she inherited a terrible financial mess? or Lammy that prisons are a disgrace due to the Tories or that our defence capabilities are run down because of years of under investment?

No thought not.

700k Brits left the UK? no they didn't many would be EU citizens with right to remain, dual nationals, people moving to work over seas.

Plus the numbers leaving are in line with trends from 2016.

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None of what you have said is facts. It’s just some opinions.

The immigration numbers are only marginally down because of some minor changes to made to system in 2023.

In any case, Labour will get pasted and out of power in too distant future. You can shout their virtues from the rooftops then. They will need some die hard supporters like you.

snowlaser · 30/11/2025 12:27

Racism and xenophobia was on the decline from thr 1970s through to the early 2000s.

Then in 2004 ish mass immigration started and people hate it. They hate it! No one ever minded the odd person from overseas just as the odd Brit emigrated too. But once people arrive literally in their millions it changes the country in ways Brits didn't want.

You can blame Russian propaganda or Nigel Farage if you like but it misses the point. Immigration was a non issue, and racism on the decline in the UK, up to 2004.

ThePolarEspresso · 30/11/2025 12:46

snowlaser · 30/11/2025 12:27

Racism and xenophobia was on the decline from thr 1970s through to the early 2000s.

Then in 2004 ish mass immigration started and people hate it. They hate it! No one ever minded the odd person from overseas just as the odd Brit emigrated too. But once people arrive literally in their millions it changes the country in ways Brits didn't want.

You can blame Russian propaganda or Nigel Farage if you like but it misses the point. Immigration was a non issue, and racism on the decline in the UK, up to 2004.

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People have weird definitions of racism.

Racism was alive in 2010 when I reported a father calling young virgin girls "white whores" School told me that you can't be racist to white people and seemed to not understand racism.

He was an absolute lunatic screaming and shouting at the daughter so loud on the phone, she was shaking and I heard everything, she was telling him the girls weren't white whores. Nasty insulting man, she can't have had a nice life with that evil nut job, I hope she didn't turn into someone like him.

Anyway with the news title 'London's demographic change is unprecedented in peacetime' in the Tory graph and using 'replacement' I give it a short while and 'ethnic cleansing' will be standard language.

Ferage isn't responsible for changes in discourse, that man won't stay in Reform and become PM either, he isn't a long term threat to Labour.

I don't know why people still think calling me names bothers me, it doesn't, it's calling children Paedophilia type terms that bothers me.

MidnightMeltdown · 30/11/2025 12:51

More racist in comparison to what?

Definitely a lot less racist than the 70s and 80s (and probably any time before that).

MidnightMeltdown · 30/11/2025 12:57

Sartre · 29/11/2025 17:56

When I was younger it was Eastern Europeans. It was so bad, a Polish shop near my school blocked school kids from entering because they’d regularly dish out racist abuse. When my mum was young in the 70s/80s it was Asians, particularly Pakistanis. When my Gran was young in the 50s/60s it was black and Irish people.

It just isn’t anything new sadly and if you are an ethnic minority, you will know it never went away. It feels worse right now because, well, Farage but far right outliers like him have always existed. It was Nick Griffin in the 00s, Enoch Powell in the 70s.

Eastern European isn’t a race though. They are white Europeans the same as British people. I think there’s a difference between racism and dislike of foreigners. Racism can be directed at people who were born here.

FirmOliveReader · 30/11/2025 13:00

No, it's getting less and less racist all the time.

And less sexist, misogynistic, classist, albelist and every other 'ist' you can think of.

Having concerns about mass immigration which every government agrees is problematic isn't racist.

I think people have forgotten what racism is and now attribute many things to racism which are in fact, not racism.

BurntBroccoli · 30/11/2025 13:03

TheNoonBell · 28/11/2025 15:46

Mass uncontrolled immigration and suppression of the native's discontent was always going to elicit a response.

It's everywhere and quite open now, people who I thought we apolitical are getting very fired up.

Fired up by GBeebies, Facebook and TwitterX?

ThePolarEspresso · 30/11/2025 13:05

EleanorMc67 · 30/11/2025 02:02

Morgan McSweeney has lived, studied & worked in England since he was a teenager. So I should think he's fully entitled to have a job in government as a political advisor. Whatever you think of him, or his politics, he's an extremely capable & experienced man. Though, as his wife is a Labour MP here in Scotland (which is where she's from), & they also have a home here, that will probably aggravate you even more ...

Yes, you're correct that Ireland was once part of the United Kingdom, from 1801-1922, after the Act of Union came into effect. But it was essentially governed & controlled by Britain for many centuries before that - since its invasion in the late 1100s. So I did laugh at the irony of your questions: "How do you define foreign interference? What type of person is so up themselves that they believe they have the right to tell another nation how to live?" ... when Britain is defined by its historic legacy of having done just that - by invading, colonising & ruling over a quarter of the world's land mass & population???

You also say you don't understand how "someone from halfway across the world can rule the British?". Well, if you believe that one's country of birth determines nationality (& we count the seven Scottish PMs as British too), two "British" PMs were actually born & grew up in Ireland, & one was born & grew up in Canada ...

And, of course, the delightful Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson was born in America ...??!!! Though I'm not sure he did much in the way of "ruling" when he was PM ...

And yes, to come back to the OP's question, I do think that Britain is becoming more overtly racist, & that this has been lurking under the surface. I also think that this racism & bigotry is not restricted to non-whites/non-Christians, but is expanding worryingly to encompass any kind of "otherness" ...

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From what I understand McSweeney will need all that family migrants money they made and exile to China, as the Americans, UK and Irish will not have him when a regime change occurs.

extra.ie/2024/10/15/news/morgan-mcsweeney-father

suburburban · 30/11/2025 13:09

ThePolarEspresso · 30/11/2025 12:46

People have weird definitions of racism.

Racism was alive in 2010 when I reported a father calling young virgin girls "white whores" School told me that you can't be racist to white people and seemed to not understand racism.

He was an absolute lunatic screaming and shouting at the daughter so loud on the phone, she was shaking and I heard everything, she was telling him the girls weren't white whores. Nasty insulting man, she can't have had a nice life with that evil nut job, I hope she didn't turn into someone like him.

Anyway with the news title 'London's demographic change is unprecedented in peacetime' in the Tory graph and using 'replacement' I give it a short while and 'ethnic cleansing' will be standard language.

Ferage isn't responsible for changes in discourse, that man won't stay in Reform and become PM either, he isn't a long term threat to Labour.

I don't know why people still think calling me names bothers me, it doesn't, it's calling children Paedophilia type terms that bothers me.

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Think about what happened in the Balkans

yes it cuts both ways

i think we are tolerant but there is too much immigration nowadays and it is not needed

ThePolarEspresso · 30/11/2025 13:14

MidnightMeltdown · 30/11/2025 12:57

Eastern European isn’t a race though. They are white Europeans the same as British people. I think there’s a difference between racism and dislike of foreigners. Racism can be directed at people who were born here.

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They aren't the same as West Europeans they were brought up outside Christendom in recent years so are of a different culture and world vew, as Albanians are in part Muslim and the rest were brought up as communists in the USSR. Poland and Hungary are happy to have their people emigrate and will not take migrants in return so are hypocritical IMHO.

Mistyglade · 30/11/2025 13:30

No more than other countries. Certain elements of our press are professional shit stirrers.

canuckup · 30/11/2025 13:38

This includes all races of people, right?

pocketpairs · 30/11/2025 15:31

TempestTost · 30/11/2025 00:30

There are several elements around this I think. I think that people have become very fed up with the way immigration has been done, and also to be sick of being told that makes them racists. That is around numbers, the economic role that they are filling, and the stress its placing on things like housing and health. I also think there is a class element in that there seems to be an uptick in the importation of other countries class and sectarian issues.

I think there is also increasing unhappiness with the way the refugee system works currently.

That does spill out in some cases into a general frustration with immigrants in the community, however, for the most part I think people draw a line between being unhappy with policies, or sometimes unhappy with the effect a community is having, and blaming that on individuals. The exception would be some of the refugees who some people suspect are not legitimate/honest.

Also, the increasing push from the progressive left to see people in terms of race, and to lump people together based on often pretty clunky racial profiles, has had the effect of making race something people are thinking about a lot more. Their idea is that this will be a positive thing, in fact, I think it's been quite the opposite, it's a gift to actual race essentialists. Nothing helps train people to be racists more than categorising everyone by race all the time.

At the same time, some have pushed back against that and been called racist for it.

So an increasing push to racialised thinking, coupled with a devaluation of the term racist because people think it is a bull shit accusation, it's not great.

That being said I think people in the UK are much less racist than most other places in the world.

Racist people don't like being told they're racist..hmmm.

People are dissatisfied with thier lives and looking for someone to blame, migrants are the current boogeyman.

These same people will end up voting for the privately educated multi millionaire Farage, who they think if the common man. They'll also smile with glee about brexit and not be able to articulate a single benefit.

pocketpairs · 30/11/2025 15:33

abracadabra1980 · 30/11/2025 06:58

I think Britain has been a tolerant country until fairly recently, when wokeness went too far - for the older generation who still watch mainstream TV, they began to question why every advert had to have a non white family necessary to represent the product. Its generally African; never a Swedish, Australian, Canadian, American, Danish, Irish, Indonesian, Eastern European, Chinese family, etc.. so thats TV. Then there are the issues with open borders. People don't feel safe; with over 53,000 illegal immigrants - mainly men, who have 'disappeared' within our country of late, it has the net result of making the indigenous population feel threatened-especially those with daughters. The care sector, delivery driver and security sectors are hugely over represented by immigrants-presumably legal, many probably not. The influx of immigrants in the nail and beauty, barbering and hand car wash sectors has been glaringly obvious in the last ten years. I teach at a local further education establishment. None of the hairdressing or barbering people came through the official route so where are they 'learning' their trade? My students cant risk setting up a business anywhere these days as the 'foreigners' think nothing of just setting up next door. Money laundering is a big issue with the vast majority of them and local people where I live a) notice and b) are mightily fed up with it all. A couple of our local town centres are no go areas these days. Immigration has gone way too far when the indigenous population no longer feel safe or represented.

Guess you're someone who doesn't like being called a racist either..

cardibach · 30/11/2025 15:49

rriffraff · 28/11/2025 22:14

I think that it is because the native British population is going to be the minority by 2050 at current immegration rates.
This is bound to lead to an identity movement of what it means to be native British that did not exist before as there was no need, and as a reaction to sliding into minority marginal position with and competing with other groups for jobs and resources.

Not RTFT but I case nobody has corrected you - this isn’t true. It’s based on some very, very poor maths.

FuzzySnail3 · 30/11/2025 15:55

pocketpairs · 30/11/2025 15:31

Racist people don't like being told they're racist..hmmm.

People are dissatisfied with thier lives and looking for someone to blame, migrants are the current boogeyman.

These same people will end up voting for the privately educated multi millionaire Farage, who they think if the common man. They'll also smile with glee about brexit and not be able to articulate a single benefit.

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Telling people immigration isn’t an issue doesn’t suddenly make things ok as they are. In fact, it makes people angrier because it means nothing gets done.

It’s actually enraging. I worry about my family being targeted (thankfully it’s never happened, everyone near me is lovely) AND I worry about the state of the immigration system (which has consequences for other services in the country, and some of the court judgements / immigration appeals etc. are just taking the piss).

People are fed up and attitudes like this push people towards Farage and friends.

ThePolarEspresso · 30/11/2025 15:55

cardibach · 30/11/2025 15:49

Not RTFT but I case nobody has corrected you - this isn’t true. It’s based on some very, very poor maths.

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Can you go through the maths for us?

In your maths for example do you keep increasing the UK aborted rates and include white Canadian MAID death rates?

cardibach · 30/11/2025 16:00

ThePolarEspresso · 30/11/2025 15:55

Can you go through the maths for us?

In your maths for example do you keep increasing the UK aborted rates and include white Canadian MAID death rates?

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Eh? What has Canada to to with anything?
I can’t find the detail on the maths but it was based on a misunderstanding of percentages.

ThePolarEspresso · 30/11/2025 16:01

cardibach · 30/11/2025 16:00

Eh? What has Canada to to with anything?
I can’t find the detail on the maths but it was based on a misunderstanding of percentages.

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You need to go through projected assistance suicide rates, if you haven't gone through the maths in fine details and used what date there is available from Canada, i do not understand how you can claim the maths wrong?

cardibach · 30/11/2025 16:06

ThePolarEspresso · 30/11/2025 16:01

You need to go through projected assistance suicide rates, if you haven't gone through the maths in fine details and used what date there is available from Canada, i do not understand how you can claim the maths wrong?

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Because it’s completely irrelevant. I’m not engaging with you further.

FirmOliveReader · 30/11/2025 16:10

pocketpairs · 30/11/2025 15:31

Racist people don't like being told they're racist..hmmm.

People are dissatisfied with thier lives and looking for someone to blame, migrants are the current boogeyman.

These same people will end up voting for the privately educated multi millionaire Farage, who they think if the common man. They'll also smile with glee about brexit and not be able to articulate a single benefit.

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Oh bless your little mind.

What don't you get about the concept that in a country where millions of people are struggling in terms of housing, social care, healthcare, education and money, people get pissed off when they see other people accessing those things who aren't from this country, aren't contributing and therefore shouldn't be benefiting from those things they have not contributed towards.

It's nothing to do with race.

People are equally pissed off if someone born here is not contributing but getting benefits of society that other people are not getting, but they are our citizens and therefore our problem.

And I'm equally pissed off if an American or Australian or French white person is being funded to live here by my taxes.

It's pathetic and simple-minded to shout racist when people object to British tax payers money going to people who are not British taxpayers. It's ridiculous.

ThePolarEspresso · 30/11/2025 16:15

Not engaging with me because you are too lazy to lay out all the maths workings out?

I am too lazy to critically think sometimes, which is why I asked you to bring your data here, I would have liked to go through it.

I note that human sex/slave trafficking in some countries is taking a back seat to human organ trade which gives better returns.

www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/canada-is-turning-its-assisted-suicide-regime-into-an-organ-donation-supply-chain/

ThePolarEspresso · 30/11/2025 16:21

Canada looks quite racist to me, this is why I think people want to stop looking at the maths, they don't want it to be true.

www.westernstandard.news/news/assisted-suicide-primarily-privileged-white-people-as-canada-leads-global-organ-market/50796

pocketpairs · 30/11/2025 16:21

FuzzySnail3 · 30/11/2025 15:55

Telling people immigration isn’t an issue doesn’t suddenly make things ok as they are. In fact, it makes people angrier because it means nothing gets done.

It’s actually enraging. I worry about my family being targeted (thankfully it’s never happened, everyone near me is lovely) AND I worry about the state of the immigration system (which has consequences for other services in the country, and some of the court judgements / immigration appeals etc. are just taking the piss).

People are fed up and attitudes like this push people towards Farage and friends.

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People are just uniformed (or just watch too much GB new!).

Let me try to explain one argument for immigration in simple terms...people are required to sustain an economy and drive economic growth. The current England and Wales birth rate is 1.41 (meaning for every 2 people that die, only 1.41 on average are born). The required birth rate to sustain a stable population is 2.1. As the birth rate is so low, especially in economies with aging populations, you need immigration.

The NHS and the care sector would collapse without immigrants propping them up. But people just don't like seeing (too many) brown / black faces.

Plus there statistically no evidence that immigrants commit more crime than British born people.

pocketpairs · 30/11/2025 16:25

FirmOliveReader · 30/11/2025 16:10

Oh bless your little mind.

What don't you get about the concept that in a country where millions of people are struggling in terms of housing, social care, healthcare, education and money, people get pissed off when they see other people accessing those things who aren't from this country, aren't contributing and therefore shouldn't be benefiting from those things they have not contributed towards.

It's nothing to do with race.

People are equally pissed off if someone born here is not contributing but getting benefits of society that other people are not getting, but they are our citizens and therefore our problem.

And I'm equally pissed off if an American or Australian or French white person is being funded to live here by my taxes.

It's pathetic and simple-minded to shout racist when people object to British tax payers money going to people who are not British taxpayers. It's ridiculous.

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With your clearly oversized brain, care to explain how we sustain the current NHS and adult social care sectors without immigrants, with 21% and 30% non-british born national (often Nigerians) working in these sectors..the latter at minimum wage??