To think Britain is getting more racist ?

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Overt anti "foreigner" / anti non-white discussions appear to be normalised at times these days. I don't remember this in previous decades. Was it just under the surface ?

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How many more of these threads are going to be started?

The word ‘racist’ is used far too casually these days, as is the phrase ‘right-wing’ (I have seen people who want rapists deported described as ‘right-wing’). Wanting to preserve a sense of identity and feeling uneasy about mass immigration doesn’t make you a racist. In fact, wanting to live in a society in which the majority of people are from the same race as you doesn’t make you racist. Even wanting to live in a society in which everyone is from the same race as you doesn’t make you a racist (very insular and small-minded, yes, but not racist). A racist dislikes other racial groups and considers them inferior to his own. You can want to live in a racially homogenous society and yet consider other races equal or even superior to your own.

I am white, and pretty much all my ancestors were English, Scottish or Irish, but I certainly do not consider white Europeans superior to other races. Far from it. And I wouldn’t want to live in a purely white Britain either. (If you are very choosy about who you let in, immigration really can enrich a country.) However, I bitterly resent what the left have done. It’s a question of scale. Mass immigration has been used to destroy our national identity and impose a new one on us. No one asked for it and no one voted for it.

It is much worse now. Fuhrer Farage on the rampage, stirring things up. That Irish chappy, Tommy ten names also at it. The right wing press support them. The BBC give Farage more coverage than he deserves with his piddling small number of MPs.

Wow. That's an "interesting" pretzel you've twisted yourself into there!

This. Emboldened by Farage and the Reform crew.

Also, a suppression of any educated debate about mass immigration, has made people very angry and, in their eyes, validated more extreme views. By ignoring people’s fears, they have been heightened.

And it is racist. I am married to a nice white European and no one tells him to go back to where he comes from.

I agree that the UK is generally a tolerant country. We have a few loud mouthed idiots and a smaller percentage of truly vicious nasties.

I haven't seen any rise in antisemitism in my daily life, but I don't live anywhere with a Muslim or Arab population, so perhaps I wouldn't.

I don’t think it’s more racist. I think there was a time when people felt uneasy about being open about it. Sadly that time has past-the rise
if the right is giving credibility and freedom to the racists.

If you look at history there has always been periodic race riots. They usually coincide with periods of austerity.

What's slightly different now is social media meaning that a frenzy can get whipped up. People can organise and mobilise.

The last couple of times I’ve been over the blatant open racism and anti-immigration rhetoric I’ve heard has been grim.

I think this is just the inevitable result of mass immigration and the resulting huge demographic changes. People were able to be tolerant to the small numbers who came and assimilated - up to say the mid 2000s. And most even enjoyed the blessings of "diversity" - interesting new friends, cuisine etc. But the inflows the country has had in the past 20, years means that tolerance has worn thin.

Most are now aware of the demographic projections for the native British to become a minority mid-century (as they already are in London). It's not controversial to say that noone voted for that and even the most liberal and reasonable people would find it a rather shocking state of affairs.

I don't understand why the people in that 1985 video carried on living here if they thought the English arrogant and what not and preferred the Irish, they only started moving to Ireland in the past decade.

The other thing is why there is so much bitterness. Compare and contrast the Irish man say the majority of the Irish who were subjucated for 800 years including now still considered occupatied NI and had the two tier/DEI stuff that the English now experience, can laugh and lughed at the Paddy Irish jokes about them at the time in the 1980s, get on with the English as people's, yet nations/peoples that only had a few years of subjucation before their lifetime, cry for reparations?

Reform are not the only new kid on the block, Restore Britain, prior to being a political party have discovered in a poll that they would take 10% of the national vote.

A lot of people currently feel poor. When people feel poor they feel angry and look for someone to blame.

I don't actually think it is particulary racist. I think people these days are much more anti people who aren't exactly like them

So racist, people of a different religion, class, area of britain, class, support a different football team, drive a different car, are ND, disabled, better off, poorer etc. Really anything. You only have to look how vicious it can get on here when someone washes their sheets at a different frequency, or wears or doesn't underwear with PJ's.

Yeah probably but everything just seems divisive at the moment; race, religion, politics, genders, etc. I just think social media gives a platform to microphone division in society more than we've ever seen before.

I think Brexit particularly, but other political happenings and people have emboldened a lot more people to give voice to prejudices that were previously, at least shallowly, buried. And a lot of people feel poor and are looking for someone to blame, which cynical politicians have handily suggested for them.

If you don't want to be blamed in such times, I suggest the following may not help the situation

Consider, should you ir should you not

-rock up a
on the beach and expect a free holiday hotel, fnded by taxpayers of another nation

-asking to be viewed as a community and living in clans/giving each other jobs and excluding other communities

-making demads for and taking caste style DEI education/job/promotion/crime preference, rereparations

-move here and call the English arrogant and other migrants nicer, yet stay

-move here and claim social housing along with in-work benefits

• move here and demand taxpayers, fund you and 4 wives with 5 kids each in separate taxper funded homes and expect the working population to fund you, whilst crying that you are not popular with everyone.

It can't be a mystery to people can it, why there is bad feelings?

Completely agree. Thank you.

I say this as a mixed race woman with mixed, non-white kids and family - but I don’t think what @Dappy777said is extreme, as some seem to be suggesting.

Reading between the lines, the point being made is that there is too much change and culture and places are changing rapidly. People at a primal level do not like that. And I have expletives the same sentiment back where I’m from, because I’m seen as a wealthy westerner.

However, the focus on race is a misstep. My family is completely culturally British despite us not being white. There are so many people who are born here, or even who came recently, who just want to be a positive part of Britain. Once we start dividing on racial lines, we make assumptions about people which may not be true.

Lots of us who don't tick ‘white British’ are just as concerned about how things are - meanwhile there are plenty of white people who don’t give a crap and seem to be ashamed to be British. Let’s move away from race.

Why do you think that is? Do you expect people to take mass immigration and say nothing when millions of tax payers money are being spent daily on it?

That rather depends on your definition of "racism" and whether you define it to include anything that has ever upset anyone of a different race, whether it was significant or not. If you define it in that way then yes it's increased. If you define it as how many people think a particular race is superior to another or want to discriminate against them then no, it's got massively better since I was a child.

We need to go back to being a tolerant society and you dont do that by constantly complaining that racism is worse and magnifying small differences of opinion. The virtue signalling left wing are as big of a problem as Farage's crowd.

I’m from a predominantly white ex-mining town up North. Most lampposts on the main roads have flags. We are very close to one of the hotels that was smashed up and almost set on fire last summer after the Southport tragedy.

I’ve noticed people are more openly racist now. I think these types of people have always had these views but they now feel entitled to share them openly, masking it as “being concerned for children”. They see anyone who is non-white as an “ilegal” and potential “terrorist” or “paedo”.

Our local towns Facebook page is constantly filled with AI generated memes of “wake the lion” “stop the boats” etc, and anyone who challenges racism is called a “leftard” “loony lefty” and “illegal sympathiser”.

It’s fucking depressing.

I was told on a thread yesterday by a migrant they had no sympathy for the English, they seemed to think me asking the English to have some sympathy given to them was an outrageous request by me.

What they probably through was that I am English, I am not.

I was born here, I don't believe in trans race. My parents are Irish. It was made clear to us by the British that we weren't British, so I am jaw dripping shocked anyone else claims to be.

I love the English so much I married in so have half English children.

I believe the English have the right to self determination as I believe the Irish had.

The English protestants didn't have to give the Catholics emancipation, I am grateful.

The English didn't have to end the slave trade.

The English didn't have to fight in WW2, I am with Tucker Carlson on that, as the Irish were neutral and could have been smashed at the time, Germany left them alone.

The Irish suffered the same from the British government as the English are today, migrants given land (social housing), two tier police (RUC/Black and tans), the DEI jobs as the British protestants were in Catholic Ireland.

It's like watching the English be robbed, bullied etc, it's horrible.

I also want to point out, in that video I linked the Irish man admitted the flaws of the Irish, I note who else does or doesn't.

So you think racism is justifiable based on a perception of immigration?