To think Britain is getting more racist ?

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Overt anti "foreigner" / anti non-white discussions appear to be normalised at times these days. I don't remember this in previous decades. Was it just under the surface ?

https://x.com/RupertLowe10/status/1994819000065560824

With what Trump is doing too, I have some observations to make.

House prices are going to sky rocket in some areas due to flooding. Those that sell here at the peak (as house prices will crash here due to 20 million leaving) of the market and buy there at the bottom of their market will be the most wealthy. HTH.

Absolutely agree with you.

@GentleOlive @BlakeCarrington completely agree.

At 87, my Brexit-voting MIL must count as very old. She voted for Brexit because she didn't she didn't think "the Germans should be able to tell us what to do after we beat them in the war". 🙄

Of course, she's now moaning about "boat people" and thinks they should all be taken back to France. I try very hard not to remind her that we used to have the right to do that but gave it away by leaving the EU, but she exasperates me so much that my restraint fails.

Until a couple of years ago, I'd have said she wasn't racist; she has South Asian and black neighbours who she likes and gets on well with and has nothing but praise for her Asian GP. But then she spent a few days in ICU with breathing problems and when she came home she did nothing but moan about how disgraceful it was that all the nursing staff were Filippino. 😕

My parents died a few years before the Brexit vote, but there's no way either of them would have voted for it. My DF worked in Germany and Sweden for several years, and thought the EU was the best thing ever.

This is cobblers.

Nobody from the UK thinks FGM, forced marriage, cousins marrying etc are acceptable aspects of multiculturalism. At all.

Please provide evidence when making ludicrous statements. FGM is illegal for example.

Elon Musk exposed lots of accounts with people from other countries posting and pretending they are from various countries in the West.

Most Younger English people are out at work or busy catching up at weekends.

Some people call themselves British and they may live in this country, have plenty of time to post online, think that culture is OK and not have blue hair.

“Getting”??

It arrived there ages ago.

Because it’s true.

@Princessconsuelabananahammock9 No it’s not, that’s your opinion, doesn’t make it true, judgmental yes, but not true.
How do you know it’s primarily white Women on this thread?

.. and he's one.

There are several elements around this I think. I think that people have become very fed up with the way immigration has been done, and also to be sick of being told that makes them racists. That is around numbers, the economic role that they are filling, and the stress its placing on things like housing and health. I also think there is a class element in that there seems to be an uptick in the importation of other countries class and sectarian issues.

I think there is also increasing unhappiness with the way the refugee system works currently.

That does spill out in some cases into a general frustration with immigrants in the community, however, for the most part I think people draw a line between being unhappy with policies, or sometimes unhappy with the effect a community is having, and blaming that on individuals. The exception would be some of the refugees who some people suspect are not legitimate/honest.

Also, the increasing push from the progressive left to see people in terms of race, and to lump people together based on often pretty clunky racial profiles, has had the effect of making race something people are thinking about a lot more. Their idea is that this will be a positive thing, in fact, I think it's been quite the opposite, it's a gift to actual race essentialists. Nothing helps train people to be racists more than categorising everyone by race all the time.

At the same time, some have pushed back against that and been called racist for it.

So an increasing push to racialised thinking, coupled with a devaluation of the term racist because people think it is a bull shit accusation, it's not great.

That being said I think people in the UK are much less racist than most other places in the world.

I think the reason for people pinning this on the left is because the left are the ones calling them racists for having an issue with it.

There could be a down and out social disagreement on the kind of economic policy questions on immigration the way the Tories pushed it.

But I don't think that could ever upset people anything like as much as telling them their views on the topic are based on some kind of racial hatred they know they don't feel.

What?

What else do you call a person who immigrates without following the rules?

Why do you think they deport people?

Morgan McSweeney has lived, studied & worked in England since he was a teenager. So I should think he's fully entitled to have a job in government as a political advisor. Whatever you think of him, or his politics, he's an extremely capable & experienced man. Though, as his wife is a Labour MP here in Scotland (which is where she's from), & they also have a home here, that will probably aggravate you even more ...

Yes, you're correct that Ireland was once part of the United Kingdom, from 1801-1922, after the Act of Union came into effect. But it was essentially governed & controlled by Britain for many centuries before that - since its invasion in the late 1100s. So I did laugh at the irony of your questions: "How do you define foreign interference? What type of person is so up themselves that they believe they have the right to tell another nation how to live?" ... when Britain is defined by its historic legacy of having done just that - by invading, colonising & ruling over a quarter of the world's land mass & population???

You also say you don't understand how "someone from halfway across the world can rule the British?". Well, if you believe that one's country of birth determines nationality (& we count the seven Scottish PMs as British too), two "British" PMs were actually born & grew up in Ireland, & one was born & grew up in Canada ...

And, of course, the delightful Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson was born in America ...??!!! Though I'm not sure he did much in the way of "ruling" when he was PM ...

And yes, to come back to the OP's question, I do think that Britain is becoming more overtly racist, & that this has been lurking under the surface. I also think that this racism & bigotry is not restricted to non-whites/non-Christians, but is expanding worryingly to encompass any kind of "otherness" ...

Mumsnet is primarily white. That’s why there is a separate section for black mums.

This is a fact.

It was always there, never went away but with the rise of the v right wing Reform and a Tory party that tried to copy them, going further sometimes, its legitimised racism.
We have never been a tolerant country, thats just a myth.

There was never suppression of discontent, UKIP/Brexit & Reform... at what point was discontent "Suppressed?"

I think Britain has been a tolerant country until fairly recently, when wokeness went too far - for the older generation who still watch mainstream TV, they began to question why every advert had to have a non white family necessary to represent the product. Its generally African; never a Swedish, Australian, Canadian, American, Danish, Irish, Indonesian, Eastern European, Chinese family, etc.. so thats TV. Then there are the issues with open borders. People don't feel safe; with over 53,000 illegal immigrants - mainly men, who have 'disappeared' within our country of late, it has the net result of making the indigenous population feel threatened-especially those with daughters. The care sector, delivery driver and security sectors are hugely over represented by immigrants-presumably legal, many probably not. The influx of immigrants in the nail and beauty, barbering and hand car wash sectors has been glaringly obvious in the last ten years. I teach at a local further education establishment. None of the hairdressing or barbering people came through the official route so where are they 'learning' their trade? My students cant risk setting up a business anywhere these days as the 'foreigners' think nothing of just setting up next door. Money laundering is a big issue with the vast majority of them and local people where I live a) notice and b) are mightily fed up with it all. A couple of our local town centres are no go areas these days. Immigration has gone way too far when the indigenous population no longer feel safe or represented.

Mahmood has identified the problem and is doing something about it, deportations at record highs, as are raids on dodgy employers.

Unlike 14 years of the Tories, who used migration to massage the GDP figures.

Migration is at recent historic lows, 200k down from 1.2m under Sunak, thats down to Labour policies, if all that is bad is on them and nothing to do with the previous Govt, then all that is "good" is on them too & nothing to do with the last lot.

Summarised my experience perfectly

You might want to check your facts. Net immigration being down is nothing to do with Labour. It’s because The Tories put a sticking plaster on the broken system by stopping dependents of students coming in.

That being said, 900k people came last year. Thats right, nearly a million people coming in to a country where integration is already a mess. While we lost 700k Brits. No doubt we brought in low paid, low skilled people while losing high skilled high tax paying people.

What a success.

Dan Wootton and Rupert Lowe! Your choice of sources reveal the sort of person that you are. They are both racists and you are quoting them admiringly.

Nope, you need to check your facts, Labour are in power, its ALL on them.... or do you believe Reeves that she inherited a terrible financial mess? or Lammy that prisons are a disgrace due to the Tories or that our defence capabilities are run down because of years of under investment?

No thought not.

700k Brits left the UK? no they didn't many would be EU citizens with right to remain, dual nationals, people moving to work over seas.

Plus the numbers leaving are in line with trends from 2016.

So everything bad that’s happening is entirely due to the current Labour government. Everything good is entirely due to the previous Conservative government. Right. Got it.

It's always been there but now it's more overt. People like Farage have normalised it by their thinly disguised racist anti immigration rhetoric. Just call it out whenever you see it or hear it. I have zero tolerance for it.