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To think all schools should teach children the old traditional hymns

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Staringintothevoid616 · 23/11/2025 13:44

Just switching between channels and Songs of Praise came on. It was a run down of the most popular school hymns.complete with recorders It brought back many memories and how important communal singing is. It doesn’t matter what your religion is, everyone should know the most popular hymns as a way of uniting society.

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SeaAndStars · 23/11/2025 17:54

Staringintothevoid616 · 23/11/2025 17:52

Did you and the poster several pages back who made this exact post copy it from the same little handbook of “Things to write about religion that you will think make you sound clever but everyone knows is just a copy and paste job”

The cutting and pasting doesn't weaken the argument.

Staringintothevoid616 · 23/11/2025 17:55

ilovesooty · 23/11/2025 17:52

You started a thread where it became apparent that you were more concerned about multiculturism than the benefits of communal singing.

Er, no, that what you and other posters twisted it into. Apart from someone’s obsession with Angel numbers!

So let’s get back to the original question

Would it be a good idea for society if we all knew the same hymns to sing at important events

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oviraptor21 · 23/11/2025 17:55

Millytante · 23/11/2025 15:29

I chose Dear Lord and Father of Mankind for my Ma’s funeral. It absolutely floors me, it’s so quietly powerful.
I don't bother about my not believing in God; poetry and powerful emotional force make it a secular ‘hymn’ as well, in my eyes. A focus, a sung dedication.

I could cite a good few others which work like this, where mention of faith and a deity don't prevent my appreciating them.

Yes to this.

There isn't a religious bone in my body but there is a power and humility in traditional hymns which is inspiring.

Hymns like Dear Lord and Father, The Day Thou Gavest, Be Thou my Vision, O Praise Ye the Lord, Immortal invisible, Tell Out my Soul and so many more.
All wonderful, especially in four part harmony with organ accompaniment.
The words can easily be interpreted without reference to God or Jesus.

Barnbrack · 23/11/2025 17:56

trustybread · 23/11/2025 16:41

I'm an atheist who grew up singing hymns every day at school. For me, singing a hymn is not really an act of worship, it's just singing.

I'm quite wary of giving kids the idea that there's some kind of deep and meaningful or supernatural significance to singing words about God, so no one should do that unless they believe with a capital B.

I prefer the idea of gradual dilution and hymns becoming gradually seen as less religious, rather than removing hymns or anything with even a hint of religion or spirituality or ritual from schools.

I also wonder if community rituals like singing, and including a few hymns and songs with spiritual and ethical messages from a variety of sources, may actually inoculate people a bit against more extreme forms of religion, rather than making them more likely to fall into them. Not by making them hate spirituality but by just by providing the sort of minimal level of community ritual that's more than enough for most people.

Over the years I've come to the conclusion that religion isn't going anywhere, so possibly broad but very shallow participation in the most benign rituals from a variety of religions may end up being better for humanity than no religion for most and deep religious fervour from some.

So, for me it's not about prioritising hymns, it's just about not excluding them or trying for some kind of secular purity, because I don't think that will work, long term. I'd rather just treat them as songs that came from a religion, but anyone can sing them and enjoy the tunes, think about the ideas and so on, without that constituting some kind of declaration of belief. I think that would be a more positive thing for society long-term.

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That's the most AI looking thing I ever read

oncemoreuntothebeachdearfriends · 23/11/2025 17:56

Staringintothevoid616 · 23/11/2025 17:52

Did you and the poster several pages back who made this exact post copy it from the same little handbook of “Things to write about religion that you will think make you sound clever but everyone knows is just a copy and paste job”

Not at all.

I thought the Christian God was meant to be kind & loving, & not keep the poor in their place with no hope of success in life.

Staringintothevoid616 · 23/11/2025 17:57

SeaAndStars · 23/11/2025 17:54

The cutting and pasting doesn't weaken the argument.

Yes it does, it makes me think the person who posted it can’t make an argument. It’s absolutely hilarious!!! And I answered the original poster.

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Barnbrack · 23/11/2025 17:57

Staringintothevoid616 · 23/11/2025 17:55

Er, no, that what you and other posters twisted it into. Apart from someone’s obsession with Angel numbers!

So let’s get back to the original question

Would it be a good idea for society if we all knew the same hymns to sing at important events

It would be a better idea if religion was removed from important events.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 23/11/2025 17:58

Legthing · 23/11/2025 17:54

I agree with the OP. I wish the school had taught the children the proper church hymns. It was a CofE school,

But why?

If you want your kids to learn Christian hymns, why wouldn't you just take them to church?

ilovesooty · 23/11/2025 17:58

Staringintothevoid616 · 23/11/2025 17:55

Er, no, that what you and other posters twisted it into. Apart from someone’s obsession with Angel numbers!

So let’s get back to the original question

Would it be a good idea for society if we all knew the same hymns to sing at important events

Perhaps you'll tell me how many uplifting communal singing events you've taken your children to then? I have asked twice.

ilovesooty · 23/11/2025 18:00

And what "important events" did you have in mind?

ClaraThePigeon · 23/11/2025 18:00

oviraptor21 · 23/11/2025 17:55

Yes to this.

There isn't a religious bone in my body but there is a power and humility in traditional hymns which is inspiring.

Hymns like Dear Lord and Father, The Day Thou Gavest, Be Thou my Vision, O Praise Ye the Lord, Immortal invisible, Tell Out my Soul and so many more.
All wonderful, especially in four part harmony with organ accompaniment.
The words can easily be interpreted without reference to God or Jesus.

Of course you can enjoy hymns even if you aren’t religious and just enjoy the music and lyrics if you’re so inclined but looking at the lyrics of some of those hymns, I cannot see how you could interpret them to be anything other than about God/Jesus. They aren’t exactly subtle about it.

godmum56 · 23/11/2025 18:00

Staringintothevoid616 · 23/11/2025 17:55

Er, no, that what you and other posters twisted it into. Apart from someone’s obsession with Angel numbers!

So let’s get back to the original question

Would it be a good idea for society if we all knew the same hymns to sing at important events

Would it be a good idea for society if we all knew the same hymns to sing at important events

No. next question.

Staringintothevoid616 · 23/11/2025 18:00

oncemoreuntothebeachdearfriends · 23/11/2025 17:56

Not at all.

I thought the Christian God was meant to be kind & loving, & not keep the poor in their place with no hope of success in life.

Not really, well I say not really, it depends who you ask, the God in the Bible set up some weird rule system which meant his son had to be crucified to right the wrongs of someone who had fallen foul of one of Gods earlier self made rule systems. It’s all lovey dovey now cos it’s better for PR.

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godmum56 · 23/11/2025 18:01

Staringintothevoid616 · 23/11/2025 18:00

Not really, well I say not really, it depends who you ask, the God in the Bible set up some weird rule system which meant his son had to be crucified to right the wrongs of someone who had fallen foul of one of Gods earlier self made rule systems. It’s all lovey dovey now cos it’s better for PR.

and you want people to sing hymns about this?

Barnbrack · 23/11/2025 18:01

Staringintothevoid616 · 23/11/2025 17:48

I don’t think Religion is destructive to society - so not “bizarre” at all. The fact most societies have a “Religion” would suggest it’s fairly fundamental. Usually it’s only an issue if the vast majority don’t following it on some level.

Most of not all religions were set up by men to control other men and all women.

Every religion has a history of women as property, women as less than. Women as the keeper of men.

Every religion has been used to commit acts of war. Acts of terror. Acts of violence against women and girls on a massive scale. Every religion is hugely based around what people get up to on their sex lives, very much aimed towards this idea that women owe men sex first and foremost.

Your whole premise is based on the idea of religion as good, and that the non Christians should see religion as neutral at worse.

Religion is the root of a huge about of bad, a huge amount of evil. I'd like to remove rather than further regress I to it

Coconutter24 · 23/11/2025 18:01

Staringintothevoid616 · 23/11/2025 14:16

like it or not, we are a culturally Christian country. Have been for hundreds of years, Christianity has shaped our institutions, laws, architecture, holidays, language etc. I’m afraid a couple of decades of more people of different faiths aren’t changing that.

Technically we are a Christian country due to its state church (presuming your talking about England) however Christianity is no longer the majority religion

PatThePenguin · 23/11/2025 18:02

oviraptor21 · 23/11/2025 17:17

Hymns are decent songs!
Far more rewarding musically than most modern school assembly songs

That's just your opinion though.

If the nation shared it, there would always be a hymn in the top 40 🤷‍♂️

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 23/11/2025 18:02

Staringintothevoid616 · 23/11/2025 17:55

Er, no, that what you and other posters twisted it into. Apart from someone’s obsession with Angel numbers!

So let’s get back to the original question

Would it be a good idea for society if we all knew the same hymns to sing at important events

No, I think it would be a good idea for society if we started to treat religion as a private matter and took it out of public events altogether.

Staringintothevoid616 · 23/11/2025 18:03

godmum56 · 23/11/2025 18:00

Would it be a good idea for society if we all knew the same hymns to sing at important events

No. next question.

Well thank you for that erudite and balanced response- if only I had thought of that - damn!!!

OK next question er….

What sort of Christian are you?

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Letshaveablackcelebration73 · 23/11/2025 18:03

Legthing · 23/11/2025 17:54

I agree with the OP. I wish the school had taught the children the proper church hymns. It was a CofE school,

Fine if you put your kids in a CofE school but I don’t want my kids just learning hymns. All this “we are a Christian country” is nonsense- we are a multi faith country and that’s fine with me.

I want them learning about all faiths if they have to learn about any religion at all.

Staringintothevoid616 · 23/11/2025 18:03

PatThePenguin · 23/11/2025 18:02

That's just your opinion though.

If the nation shared it, there would always be a hymn in the top 40 🤷‍♂️

Unlikely due to the way the music business works.

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Barnbrack · 23/11/2025 18:04

Staringintothevoid616 · 23/11/2025 17:30

You seem to think the growing acknowledgment of the issues around multiculturalism is a bad thing.

Ah. You're just a big racist who wants children who aren't Christian to be taught Christian ways because they must come from other places? You don't like immigrants do you? You're very unpleasant

TheLette · 23/11/2025 18:06

Hard no and I'm absolutely delighted my kids don't know any hymns. I hated them at school. They sing more culturally relevant songs plus songs from other cultures.

SeaAndStars · 23/11/2025 18:06

Staringintothevoid616 · 23/11/2025 17:55

Er, no, that what you and other posters twisted it into. Apart from someone’s obsession with Angel numbers!

So let’s get back to the original question

Would it be a good idea for society if we all knew the same hymns to sing at important events

No.

No evidence that it would have any impact.
Would alienate as many people as it attracts, especially people who don't believe in God/Christ.
Where it already happens naturally it's personal choice and joyful (church, choirs/rugby) were it to be forced it might become like the George flag and be associated with a certain stance.
Some hymns are a bit rubbish/have questionable messages/are not universally liked)
Is it necessary? What important events does the whole of society attend?

I'm struggling to think of reasons why it would be good for society.

Staringintothevoid616 · 23/11/2025 18:06

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 23/11/2025 18:02

No, I think it would be a good idea for society if we started to treat religion as a private matter and took it out of public events altogether.

Great, so are we going to rewrite the dictionary, remove Christianity from all the laws? Knock down all the buildings related to Christianity, get rid of all of our state traditions, shall we burn the vast majority of painting or keep them under lock and key???

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