To wonder why the economy, and people are struggling financially when the government could just.. ‘print’ more money to plow into it.

[RisenWhine]

I just find it absolutely bizarre that businesses, NHS, education, benefits, taxpayers struggle so hard when money is literally a man made concept that we print and just ‘decide’ how much to have? Just ‘print’ more, if we created money and let’s be honest it’s just numbers, numbers are infinite.. put more into the NHS.. put more into education..

There is absolutely no reason anyone should have to struggle with money at it just baffles me that the UK is the way that it is because of some shite we made up 🤣

If Mr Dodgy prints more then he's better off..if the government prints more then we're all worse off.

No more catering to billionaires and corporations, the power will be in the hand of the everyday common folk, guided by an understanding and benevolent middle class, against the ultra wealthy neo-corporate class.

Hmm…..the transition may not be as smooth and painless as you imagine. Also most of the billionaires will be long gone.
will there be widespread land redistribution as in Zimbabwe, or will all land be nationalised?

The royal palaces will be re-allocated as social housing. The more we can cram in, the cheaper it will be to heat them.

I remember when I was child reading on a £1 note ‘I promise to pay the bearer on demand the sum of £1’. Signed, Bank of England man.
I found it very confusing. Like I already had £1 so what did they mean’. My mum explained it all. In my defence I was only about 8.

You could call it "ambition". You could also call it greed.

Ambition per se is not necessarily a good thing, and is often a very terrible thing. It has resulted in many of the world's worst atrocities. The rulers of the British Empire had an ambition to violently seize as many of the world's countries and their assets as possible, eradicating or subjugating their native populations to do so. Hitler had an ambition to wipe out the Jews. Julius Caesar, and many of the dictators before and after him, had the ambition to violently take control of his country and bulldoze its democratic processes. Jihadists have the ambition to forcibly convert everybody to Islam and wipe out the "infidels".

I could go on all day about the evils of ambition.

I think the OP asks perfectly legitimate questions. Too many people are entrenched in received "wisdom" about such matters.

Animal Farm, innit?

Ambition can also be a positive driving force and put man on the moon.

Greed is inherently human. Everyone wants more and better stuff. When I fly in economy I wish I was flying in business.

The questions are the questions a child who doesn't know better asks..not a grown woman

This thread has been an interesting read, and I can see where the OP is coming from to a degree.

While it seems like a naive question, which has been answered factually by the lessons of history, I sometimes look at the world and "economics" and wonder incredulously "why? How? Who is engineering the ever increasing clusterfuck of modern life? Where on earth are we heading?"

Why did the packet of Yorkshire tea bags cost 45p more on Saturday than it did a week ago?

Why do entry level jobs now require a degree? Any degree?

Why are so many learned skills rendered obsolete far faster than they used to be?

Why are things like automation and AI being rushed in before we / the system is ready for them?

Why is it demanded that we all work as hard as possible, yet things like age and experience are devalued at various stages, blocking even the most basic employment?

Why does the government take money from people's wages, then give it back because wages have been outstripped by badic living costs?

Why do poorer people on average pay more to live basic lives, than the rich?

I don't think these are outrageous questions and I do think it's a built in feature of end stage capitalism. There's a theory that every 80 years or so, global catastrophe resets the system somewhat. I believe we're a little overdue....

Nope, don’t need to be. DH has a pretty good income, we’re tighter since I left full time but we managed just about without having to claim. Excluding child benefit.

You should check out “whatstheproblem.org” and learn why printing money is not the answer

Is this Rachel Reeves posting this?

Funniest thread of the day. Also the most poorly thought out and pointless.

Why is it pointless? I've found it interesting and thought provoking.

I think the "funniest" thing about it is the rush to sneer and denigrate someone who has asked a question that provokes discussion and questions the status quo.

You are a communist so own that as a start point. So comrade, the question I have for you is this - where do you think that money comes from?

The answer btw is comes from people coming up with a concept or object that can be objectively sold. The process of selling it takes time, effort, risk and courage. I run a business. Having that business means I have to put myself out and yes I make money from that. Money I can spend how I want (including on public school fees for three - oh how hateful) because I value what I spend my money on and so the world goes round.

My father, who run big big businesses travelled endlessly. He was away from my mother endlessly. My childhood was stress and midnight chats between my parents to talk through problems when he was home endlessly. And yes, he made a shit tonne of money (more than I ever have) which he is now taxed on endlessly (like 5 figures of tax every month and he’s in his 80’s).

So no comrade, it would not be fair.

I haven’t been able to RTFT as I didn’t expect it to take off quite like it did.

To answer some questions and set some things straight:

I am, thick as pig shit. I get it. I know it. I’m sorry 💀 but I am a good person!

This thread was made as more of a ‘what if’ theoretical thing rather than an actual question because I know, even being as dull as I am that the idea just wouldn’t work because it goes a lot deeper than just ‘share the money, make more money’ - but my point is that money is completely man-made, and therefore so is inflation, and the need to ‘achieve’ more financially than our friends/family/colleagues/acquaintances.

My point is that in an ideal world everyone is for the village, not for the money or the fortune. We help eachother, no one needs to inflate prices because wealth is distributed equally anyway. No one trying to gain more or have more. - I get it’s much deeper but I’m a simple person ok.

So, those who have thrown their toys out of the pram because they think I’m a troll. I apologise this wasn’t what you wanted. I am half-heartedly trolling after realising this thread for way more political than intended and like I’ve mentioned.. I don’t understand politics all that well so my best bet was to use a lil dry humour to avoid it.. I’m obviously not limited to just MM and TikTok.. I do also read the daily mail (see, i did it again)

I appreciate the links and information, I will try to have a read between wiping shitty kid arses and watching living room K-pop demon hunters shows.

but until then, I hope everyone has.a wonderful fulfilling life 🫶

ps. fuck reform because they have next to 0 mention of women in their manifesto.

I think op you have a curiosity about the world, economy and politics. It’s never too late to take an interest in things and strive to learn more. I hope the whole printing money has been explained to you. I’ll admit I have only read your posts and not the whole thread. I get the impression people are being harsh on you. Just try and read more and learn more and ask questions.

It doesn’t work that way. Even if all the money in the world were combined in a pot and distributed evenly there would never be enough to give people everything they wanted. (I think it’s one of the laws of economics if I vaguely remember it but I’m open to corrections).

1930s Germany had the same idea. And people were starving, queuing hours for food and paying wheelbarrows full of money for a loaf of bread.

But why does it bother you that others don’t prioritise working hard to earn enough to have 40% taxed probably, rather than prioritising family, mental health, life?

don’t get me wrong, I would have loved to have a well paying job. It’s not something I can probably achieve now because I have two young children and a house to keep over our heads, and food to keep on the table. I don’t have time nor money to go off and learn something and get a degree of any sort. But I don’t judge anyone who is worse off than me either. Just because people make an individual choice on how/when/how much they work in life doesn’t mean they should be treated any lesser than anyone else. We have bigger fish to fry than that.

@RisenWhine it doesn’t bother me that people don’t prioritise not having a higher wage. It bothers me when people expect me to pay for something they want but can’t afford because I chose to make an effort when they didn’t

I think it's fine as long as people aren't claiming benefits and living off someone else's money because they simply can't be bothered to work hard.

I’m not judging, live your life how you want to. But if people want the security wealth provides and are prepared to work for it that’s fine too. But people who choose not to work as hard cannot expect to be have a similar amount of money as those that do work hard, otherwise no one would bother studying hard at school / uni / professional exams etc or starting businesses etc, no wealth would be generated and there would be no public services.

But as we see plenty of young professionals are deciding that the deal they are getting here for their skills is already terrible and they are moving elsewhere. I know of over 20, all have no problems getting visas as their skills are in high demand. They don’t want the high house prices, soaring taxes and dire public services, drained by an endlessly inflating welfare bill that politicians refuse to address.

This country is so broken. Borrowing yet more money for the young people to try to pay back in the future is not the answer.

Because even if everyone was given the same income, let's say £89,000 per annum.

Some people would spend it all sn and more, some would invest it. Some have 5 kids, some have none. Some will invest. Some will gamble it. Some will give it.awy...

In 5 years some people will have -£45,000, some will have nothing, some will have £340,000 ... Some will have given it all to their son, who took the money and gambled it all away...

...then what? Start again? Take the money form the guy who saved it, to the one living beyond their means?

OP ignore the people getting at you. You’re left wing, which as far as I’m concerned, makes you a good person 👍 don’t ever apologise for being your whole authentic self!

The people attacking you are probably having a hard time looking over their shoulder being citizens of a country that has a habit of people falling out of windows. They should concentrate on staying alive and not stirring up public disorder on Western social media sites or invading neighbouring countries for the sheer audacity of being better than them.