Labour's new policies for asylum seekers

[frommyheadtomyfeet]

Are rumoured to follow Denmark's, which include the seizure of valuables from people arriving here to pay their accommodation costs.

Is anyone else disgusted by this?! How will it work, they can take people's jewellery, phones etc., and leave them with nothing? What sort of message does that send?

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This is my feeling too. I don’t like how this issue is seemingly dominating politics and the media . In real life I don’t know anyone who supports the flags and shouts at hotels! Unfortunately those people are shouting very loudly and do need placating with something. It feels lose lose but PP is correct- the alternative with be Reform everywhere.

Because they’re being fed the narrative by Farage et al. that it’s the ECHR that are stopping mass deportations. Nothing but a smoke screen to manipulate people into giving up their human rights to be at the mercy of Reform when they get in.

It’s no coincidence he’s also talking about taking away workers rights etc as well. We will have no recourse.

It’s sad people are so badly misinformed but they will get what they vote for I suppose.

And i think Farage and reform don’t want to make government - they want to influence from outside. To change policy. To change culture. But not govern. The chaos of Kent county council for example - in fact every reform council is in chaos. What I think could happen is Farage steps down closer to an election and a new leader is put in place. Reform may win the majority of votes but would need to form a coalition. I doubt any party would do so … bar DUP. Just hope the left collaborate and the good message of hope the greens currently are pushing brings libs, Labour and greens together to beat the looney reform lot

I think labelling everyone who wishes to protect their country’s borders a vile racist is a rather unhelpful overgeneralisation, don’t you @frommyheadtomyfeet?
What about those veterans whose bravey we commended, and rightly so, earlier this mont? I very much hope you do not think this term applies to them.
Asylum seekers are meant to seek asylum in the first safe country they come to, do you think Labour is encouraging compliance with the rule?

The ECHR has overturned just 13 UK deportation decisions since 1981

I wasn't thinking of deportations, @Southernecho, but of some of the measures being suggested for while migrants are still here, and frankly I believe it's unlikely to get as far as the ECHR anyway because backbenchers will have killed such initiatives before it ever gets to that point

i think Farage and reform don’t want to make government - they want to influence from outside. To change policy. To change culture. But not govern

Edited to add I agree, @Rosie8880, but then I honestly don't think Reform would be capable of governing, being a mere pressure group rather than a proper political party
As you say, the mess they're making of the few councils where they've been elected is a case in point and the idea of them governing the entire country's unthinkable

This is all bollocks. In particular I take issue with people who say we are a rich country, we really aren't anymore, we're about 26th country for gdp per capita (the only measure that counts) and dropping further every year in most part because we are importing millions of people who are a net cost and also millions of young healthy people getting high benefits (often more than people in work). We are due to be overtaken by Turkey and Latvia in the next 15 years and when people realise how poor we are they're going to be extremely angry with the terrible leaders we've had for the last 20 years who are to blame. Bring it on as then we might have a chance to turn things round (probably with out the legacy parties who've got us in this mess).

I haven't been back for a while but I always found it crowded and busy. Full of life. With a spanking new Elizabeth Line station. Not the prettiest part of London. Not particularly depressing though. Its a subjective idea anyway.

Very well said.

Yes. The GDP per capita argument. I've heard it loads of times. It has initial pull. But it is possible that GDP would have been even lower both in total and per capita without migration.

Farage's figure of £254 billion cost of low skilled migrants has been withdrawn by the original think tank that came up with it. There's plausible arguments that the actual figure might even be a positive figure.

I dont KNOW that migration is a net benefit but equally the idea that its all just a negative financial impact seems to be one of those truths that has come into being simply by being repeated enough times.

But whether or not Farage actually wants to govern, he’s obviously got a nefarious agenda. He is wanting to try and force Labour’s hand to leave the ECHR so that rich business owners can benefit from reduced employee rights. Even the Tories are talking about leaving now.

He did exactly the same over Brexit. He campaigned hard for it to force David Cameron to call a referendum and then did a runner when leave won so that he didn’t have to take the flack and left someone else to take the blame so he could come up smelling of roses at phase 2! Look at the mess that left us in.

He is so very transparent to me. I can see why things are going the way they are as he is very talented at understanding psychology obviously, but it’s such a shame

Asylum seekers are not expected to seek asylum in the first safe country. Maybe they should, but it isn't a requirement.

I agree with you in your opposition to unhelpful overgeneralisations.

A million migrants in this country on benefits? Why are we bringing people in who cannot afford to pay for themselves, let alone contribute to the economy?

Just pointing out that when someone complains about the lack of integration of Brits in Spain then maybe they should consider that the signs in Whitechapel are mostly in Bengali.

Yeah, what an example to set. The far left love open borders. Until they have to live near asylum seekers. Then it’s someone else’s problem. That’s why no one, bar a few angry activist types take these people seriously.

Yes, and people are complaining about it, so point proven then.

it is interesting how the debate that started being about illegal immigration turns into a debate about migration in general. Migration comes in many forms and the whole point of a migration regime is not necessarily to reduce migration to zero but to manage it, including by considering the contribution that people would make to the country. Illegal migration tries to bypass that and, imho, needs to be reduced.
I happened to do a fair amount of economic models in the run up to Brexit - up to that point, the net impact of EU migration to the UK had been positive. The skilled workers schemes would be expected to major also on people making a positive contribution. I think it is fair to say, as others have pointed out, that the same cannot be said of groups of illegal immigrants claiming asylum.
Beyond the net contribution, there is a longer term impact of migration in-so-far as it engenders a dependency on foreign skills / labour. That needs to be addressed with other policies, beyond migration ones - including a reform of the benefits and education system, for starters.

@frommyheadtomyfeet Selling jewellery to fund care/services is not stealing. How is it different to selling a house? The house has most likely been the family home for decades and has definitely more sentimental value than a ring or a phone.

As i pointed out, 18 Lab MPs have voiced concerns and Denmark is in the ECHR.
So i think your worries are misplaced.

More widely, i think that many on the right are worried Labour do mange to reduce boat crossings, as they have done legal migration, its now less than half than when they took over.

That’s due to earlier policy which most people know about, apart from misinformation.

You don't say why how gdp per capita would be even lower without mass immigration, to me importing millions of mostly low skilled people often from the worst countries in the world (many either on benefits or tax credits) whilst letting millions of people languish on benefits who could be doing those jobs is criminal, that's before you consider the effect on housing, infrastructure etc. Countries who haven't done that like Poland are doing much better (albeit they have had big subsidies from the EU and benefits from emigrating themselves).

No, the fall happened under Labour, thats how it works.

Labour are in Govt now, i believe thats the narrative.

Yes these posts have come up before. The policy was prior to the GE.

We've been living off the wealth created during the Empire which apparently has now run out. Combined with the devastation of two world wars we have no money left. So unfortunately these immigrants have busted a gut getting here but its no longer paved with gold.

That's not true. Illegal boat crossings arr the highest they have ever been under Starmer. They have risen by 28%.