Labour's new policies for asylum seekers

[frommyheadtomyfeet]

Are rumoured to follow Denmark's, which include the seizure of valuables from people arriving here to pay their accommodation costs.

Is anyone else disgusted by this?! How will it work, they can take people's jewellery, phones etc., and leave them with nothing? What sort of message does that send?

And I agree. While we did once think we might move to Vigo, when DH was ill I got cold feet about dealing with another health crisis in a language I didn't speak very fluently. I am still learning Spanish though because I actually like the language and the people and the culture.

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The critique of the suggested cost of migrants that was quoted by Farage was to a large extent based on its gross over-estimation of the proportion of low skilled/paid migrants.

Data from HMRC showed average income of migrants to have reached and exceeded average incomes after a few years of arrival, the more recent the arrival the quicker the acceleration.

There's something called the lump of labour fallacy which basically says that there isn't a fixed number of jobs in the economy. In other words, many jobs simply wouldnt be filled and/or created in a low migration counter-factual.

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@Acommonreaderi bet you do know some people who might secretly vote reform though, unless you have a very narrow circle / social mix. There are lots of potential reform voters who are not waving flags…. Let’s be honest, anti immigration sentiment was significant in Brexit and in the tories winning in 2015, so it’s not new and it’s hardly an uncommon viewpoint.

@OneDearWasp

in the nicest possible way, I think you are being a bit naive. Prior to Brexit, the official statistics showed that EU migrants were on average net contributors and non eu migrants were on average net takers (and those from, for example, Pakistan, were much more likely to be takers). It’s kind of hard to believe that a Pakistani asylum seeker is more likely to be a net contributor on average than someone who actually managed to get a visa here so presumably had relevant skills.

The worry is AI. And that we will have filled all available jobs by using immigrants and there will be no jobs for our children. Its coming fast and will decimate white collar professional jobs.

No I don't think that's true, we were doing OK in the 80s, 90s and early 2000s, we just never recovered from the banking crisis and govts compounded it with net zero , reckless immigration, a bloated welfare system where millions choose not to work and covid spending. We got fat and complacent and don't work very hard and those that do work pay more and more tax to those who choose not to.

That's a very racist thing to say don't you know.

There is rarely a moment when I think my carefully raised DC has done the clever thing by going into a business that AI can't affect, but right now they may have just managed it. Unlikely to be rich, but hopefully solvent.

So we need more migrants because you can’t cook roast chicken nicely? How old are you?

What has gone wrong for you that you hate the British (and our food) so much?

Yes it is absolutely stupid

Southernecho
The ECHR has overturned just 13 UK deportation decisions since 1981

ECHR can refer to the European Convention on Human Rights or the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg - you are quoting cases from the latter. We don't know how many deportations have been stopped by ECHR claims in the UK but it's likely to be in the thousands;

'Dame Angela Eagle, the border security minister, said it would be a “disproportionate cost” to provide data on the number of deportations of foreign criminals or illegal migrants that had been stopped as a result of ECHR claims'
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/02/20/home-office-refuses-reveal-number-deportations-halted-echr/

Some stats for foreign criminals (but not asylum seekers) here;

Home Office management information shows that, from April 2008 to June 2021, 21,521 appeals against deportation were lodged by FNOs [Foreign National Offenders].
Of the appeals that have been determined, 6,042 FNOs had their deportation appeal allowed at the First Tier Tribunal, with around 40% (2,392) of them doing so on Human Rights grounds.
A review of a random sample of FNO allowed appeal determinations has also been conducted to understand more specifically the grounds on which appeals allowed on Human Rights grounds were allowed... In the period 1 April 2016 to 8 November 2021, of 1,011 appeals against deportation by FNOs that were allowed on Human Rights grounds at First Tier Tribunal, an estimated 70% were allowed solely on Article 8 grounds [right to respect for private and family life].
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/foreign-national-offenders-appeals-on-human-rights-grounds-2008-to-2021

We’re over populated as in demand outweighing availability. Land is there. Housing isn’t. To build enough homes to accommodate all those without one will take decades. What do you suggest we do with all the spare land?? Erect tents? And the NHS is on its knees. Too many trying to use it, so it’s now on the verge of collapse, but no party will try to address it because the NHS has become untouchable. And no, we really don’t ’have to sort out the legacy of our past’. You’re deflecting. And not doing it well. And no, people aren’t blaming immigration for the strain on infrastructure. But they are saying that as our infrastructure is collapsing, then it makes sense to restrict further people coming here to use it.

England was built on the backs of its own people being exploited for generations

Absolutely. It’s already taking jobs in the banking sector and other admin roles. People underestimate just how AI is going to get unemployment figures sky high within the next 5 years.

Can anyone explain what are these benefits of unlimited, uncontrolled mass migration. It is suppressing wages, it’s increasing the number of people dependent on taxpayer support and it fracturing the social fabric. What is good about milticulturalism when it brings things like forced marriages, FGM and cousin marriages into this society. Even first generation migrants from the 60s and 70s and their children and grandchildren are negatively affected by this state of play.

Swiftasthewind
The Southport atrocity was committed by a Welsh choirboy and I don’t see anybody calling for serious reform of Welsh culture or choirs in the wake of that horrible crime

I wonder if the choirboy claim is actually false information in any case. He left Wales at the age of 6 or 7 so probably too young to be a choirboy in Wales and the church his father attended issued this statement;
“For the sake of clarity, Alphonse’s son and family never attended our Sunday gatherings, nor played any active part in church life.

There aren't very many Pakistani asylum seekers. Those that apply have very low success rates.

Since Brexit migrants have come from different countries and your point does feel like it's relying on EU and non-Eu migrants remaining of the same economic impact pre- and post-Brexit. A Nigerian nurse would get paid the same as a Polish nurse (although now they have to pay a visa fee plus health service surcharge). In other words non-EU migrants coming to do work that EU migrants used to do would be different group to those who came pre-Brexit. The value attached to the work they do and not their nationality.

The only official statistics I've seen quoted are those from HMRC but they don't differentiate by country of origin. They do show migrants earnings increasing over time and more quickly more recently.

Of course those granted asylum would be expected to earn less than those who arrive on a sponsored work visa. I dont know what the statistics are for this. One could, I'm sure, find examples of very low paid refugees and also examples of people who go on to set up big businesses. The problem is the scale of the situation.

But it would cost a lot less if asylum were processed more quickly and more accurately. A year less innaccommodation and a an extra earlier year if refugees in work.

The Labour proposal, as it stands, would allow 8 or 9 year old children to be returned to their patents' country of origin once it is deemed safe, even if those children were born here and had never been to their parents' home country or speak the language. So it doesn't seem like this would be at all easy to get through parliament.

Pretending you can successfully import a population of 11.4 million people in 25 years, call it multiculture, pretend those people built the country and call everyone racist is the ultimate delusional madness.

Millions of people from 195 countries will never be a nation. Its global chaos. Expecting a system that developed slowly over centuries in a homogeneous society to suddenly adapt to millions speaking 195 languages is madness. The sheer numbers have caused terrible overcrowding, pay has been driven down by the massive over supply of labour and housing costs have massively increased due to demand. The pretence that we ever had or will have the capacity or system or desire to build to accommodate millions is a delusion. This chaos won't get any better now.

We are up to about 1 in 5 people in the country being from somewhere else, with a majority arriving in 30 years. This has happened by accident, there was no plan. It's destroyed the high trust society we had. People here hate each other now.

Can anyone explain why asylum seekers go on ‘holiday’ to the countries they fled from as soon as they get asylum or settled status.

If this is not a farce, what is.

Correction woops.

Surprised to see Pakaistan being a large in some Gov data I found. 46% grant rate. It doesn't say what the claims were for.

Although compared with the total numbers of migrants, numbers of refugees from individual countries would make a tiny blip in overall economic statistics.

Sorry to say but your whole post was nonsense. like the error you yourself corrected.

I mean… who knows. The fact we even had an MP stand up unashamedly in Parliament to advocate for first cousin marriage in the UK in 2025 is like a nightmare. Nobody ever comes forward and says ‘ok well I agree with high levels of immigration but yeah that’s fucked up’. They just ghost you and pretend you never said it, or squirm uncomfortably.

It’s like the rapes. I’ve posted several links now about women and girls dragged off the streets and raped and their first thought is ‘shhh we don’t talk about that’.

You can’t have a discussion with these people. We tried, I think the country has been trying for about 20 years now. But they won’t meet halfway, won’t consider anything other than ‘any talk of immigration is racist’. So the public have said fine, we will no longer engage with you, we will go for a hatchet job and vote Reform. They only have themselves to blame for this.

I think what happens is that a very few refugees do this but extreme examples get reported as though it is widespread.

And to be fair, those refugees who go on to win Nobel Prizes, play in the Premier League or create a big business might be put forward by e.g. The Guardian in an "isn't this marvellous" kind of way.

The Labour proposal is that refugees can be returned once their home country is safe up to 20 years after they arrive. Which might mean schoolkids being sent to e.g. Syria even if they can't speak Arabic.