Labour's new policies for asylum seekers

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Are rumoured to follow Denmark's, which include the seizure of valuables from people arriving here to pay their accommodation costs.

Is anyone else disgusted by this?! How will it work, they can take people's jewellery, phones etc., and leave them with nothing? What sort of message does that send?

Romanians, or more precisely, the Roma.
Normal Romanians are generally decent people like everyone else.

Yes absolutely

they don’t need to be here

We'd better hope they sort themselves out ASAP then.

Too bad they show no sign of this yet.

The sentencing is the lead story on the BBC News at 6

To elaborate: Nathan Gill is the former head of Reform, Wales. Today he was sentenced at the Old Bailey to a jail term of 10.5 years for accepting bribes from Oleg Voloshyn to give pro-Russian speeches. Mr Voloshyn is considered by the FBI to be connected to the Russian intelligence services and has been sanctioned by the British and American governments.

One would think Reform would want to get to the bottom of this. Ha! While party leaders across the political spectrum are condemning Mr Gill, so far Reform have resisted calls from all other party leaders to investigate how this could have happened.

Sir Ed Davey today reminded Parliament that Mr Farage is on record saying that the politician he most admires is Vladimir Putin.

The security services are also increasing their warnings about foreign interference in the democratic processes of the UK.

There is not much point getting into how utterly unfit Reform Politicians are to hold office - the Lib Dems and the Greens habitually bully GC Women, plus the LDs have a roll call of abusive MPs over the years. The Tories have a couple and the Labour Party have lost Petey Manders and Angie and Tulip from the frontline - the possibilities range from ‘public office attracts the very people who should not be in it’ to ‘which of our lives would bear the level of scrutiny public figures are subject to’. Take your pick.

Pretty sure the legal way in is perfectly well known to you - through passport control.

Will we leave them their gold teeth? We have already crossed the line of Starmer quoting Mosley. Photographs of piles of belongings seem to have no meaning for people now. These headlines literally make me feel sick. It is shocking how easily people forget.

You’ve surely seen my post above elaborating on the details yesterday’s story about former Reform, Wales leader Nathan Gill.

None of what you say holds a candle to Mr Gill’s jail sentence of over 10 years. He was convicted of accepting bribes from someone believed by the FBI to be an asset of Russian intelligence. The fact that Nigel Farage is on record saying Vladimir Putin is the politician he most admires as Sir Ed Davey reminded us yesterday should also ring alarm bells.

Reform are resisting calls to investigate how this could have happened. Quite a contrast with Labour’s (rightful) investigation into anti-Semitism within the party. Labour is rightly taking ethics breaches seriously.

If the Lib Dems are bullying people feel free to say more. But any attempt to equate that with undermining democracy by making pro Russia speeches for bribes is beneath contempt.

I have nothing against using frontiers as I said above. So what? But it is legal in international law to enter a country however you can and then make an asylum claim.

Stating otherwise promotes radicalisation. That may not kill us tomorrow but it is thought to be a problem in the long run

As Zia Yusuf said..its hardly 50 cent and Lil Wayne that are crossing over!

The law needs changing as its being abused. The wrong people are claiming asylum.

Whataboutery is usually all they've got.

The law is in the process of being changed

Who will be excluded?

Only one party has a politician sentenced to jail for a major crime that the judge has said undermined democracy. He committed this crime as an elected official. The aim was to create a positive impression of Russia, an enemy of Britain but not of his party’s de facto leader, who admires the Russian president very much.

This party is ignoring calls to investigate how this situation came to be.

There is no ‘what abouterey’ here. That would require comparable behaviour somewhere else.

The aim seems to be to discourage.

Also, @EasternStandard , people can be returned even after years if their country is deemed safe.

Which law?

Persecution is not just war though is it? A conflict could end and asylum remain.

It’s women and children excluded by the new policies too.

Asylum law

Which one are you referring to?

The change won’t just be about war. People can already be returned at the cessation of war. Individual circumstances will be reassessed.

Are you for this?

Someone makes a life and it’s overturned.

People who ‘ enter illegally’ and apply for asylum will have their cases reviewed every 30 mos for 20 years before they can settle. They could be sent back any time if deemed not at risk.

I am fine with deporting people soundly convicted of serious crimes. Working illegally (esp if you can’t access benefits) is different. Never being able to feel at home is inhumane.

I see no point in adopting what would be by far the most draconian policy in Europe. It shows us to be cruel and out of step and makes us a target.

As the two main ways to apply for asylum are to overstay a visa and to enter illegally, it seems this policy would apply to most. (You can get a visa under false pretences but that’s also illegal entry)

Labour is mentioning new asylum pathways but the only specific one I’ve heard is something for students. I don’t think numbers are high.

It’s performative cruelty and is unlikely to do what is wanted.