Labour's new policies for asylum seekers

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Are rumoured to follow Denmark's, which include the seizure of valuables from people arriving here to pay their accommodation costs.

Is anyone else disgusted by this?! How will it work, they can take people's jewellery, phones etc., and leave them with nothing? What sort of message does that send?

The expats in Spain aren’t going through an asylum system, they’ve chosen to live there because it’s warmer, that’s why they have to support themselves, and guess what? So do immigrants that aren’t asylum seekers here. You can bet your bottom dollar though, that if a load of Spaniards ( or other nationality) came to the UK as a holiday destination and decided to do what we do over there here, you’d have flag shaggers baying for blood ‘we want are cuntry back!!!! How dare they have street signs in Spanish!?, and we don’t want to eat any of that forrin muck!!!’🤣🤣

To be honest I get the general impression that most people on this thread wish to see fewer asylum seekers. It certainly doesn't feel like a leftie echo chamber.

I don't know any recent asylum seekers so I don't pretend to know what proportion of them are genuinely in need of asylum and which are just here for better economic prospects. But I'm fairly certain that a proportion are indeed in need of protection. Whether thats a majority or a minority is subjective.

I do know that I lack some posters' utter certainty in their views but suspect they hold those through conviction rather than evidence.

Absolutely!!!! That was my initial reaction!

Yes, sorry - sarcasm.

What do you think the men, it’s mostly men, will have to hand over on arrival across the Channel?

It’s smoke and mirrors from Labour.

And you could argue that the ‘asylum seekers’ coming here are choosing the UK over other safe countries that they travel through to get here, so it would seem both sets are choosing based on preference. The thing is too that brits choosing Spain as holiday destinations are actually massively helping the economy there as a lot of Spanish towns actually rely on tourism, and would be up the creek without a paddle if tourists stopped going, hence English signage etc. Obviously holidaying is completely different to actually moving to live somewhere permanently. You’re trying to compare situations which aren’t comparable I’m afraid….

It's only up to the locals. We cannot dictate what locals on different country are or are not happy with.
Same way like we don't want people from x country telling us in UK what to do

Can I just point out that not having a passport does not prevent you saying where you are from?

More than 50% of asylum seekers go onto claim benefits as soon as they are granted stay. Straight from the mouth of the home office minister on the media round this morning.

No one is prepared to gaslit anymore that asylum seekers are contributing to the system. And who can blame them. It’s basically open borders and free everything. It cannot go on.

What happened with the work thing, did the proposals include the ability to work?

What if they DO want to contribute to British society? Would those ones be OK? How do you know they do or don't want to contribute?

To OP’s question, what sort of message does that send? => I wish it would discourage people to come to the UK but I doubt it will be sufficient to move the needle and the far right will continue to make process as everywhere else in the world.

Ethnic communities in the UK do exactly that. Have you never noticed the Polish shops, the Asian shops, Chinese, Indian. African
Or is it only Brits abroad that arent allowed to do the same?

Some good ideas to begin the process of making the UK less attractive to economic migrants.

To the OP, Labour have just said, literally minutes ago, that no personal effects will be taken at the border.

At least its better than sending migrants to imaginary islands or flying them to war torn countries where we do not fly to or deporting to countries that will not accept back their own citizens, the "refuse student visa" plan is a start as well, though will impact on UK Uni's if widened out, which it will have to be.

So many DON'T claim benefits. What if the dependent half+ no longer claimed after, say, 3 months? Or 6 months? Would that be OK? What are these benefits they claim? Are some or most in-work benefits which might point to a degree of integration (if they're working) and of the opportunity to develop a better income in the future?

Of course it might be true that the overwhelming majority of successful asylum claimants are not trying to improve their economic situation but there are lots of statements like those you reported here that bear greater scrutiny and don't tell the full story.

I dont understand why they shouldn't be expected to fund their own accommodation. The rest of us have to!

I think yabu Op. These measures are long overdue and she's right. If we dont tackle it it will tear our country apart. We simply can't cope with the numbers. We face it head on copying a proven system from Denmark or we will lurch to the far right with Farage as pm.

It’s not going to do what Labour want. As the one in one out didn’t.

People applauded that too.

How do you envisage people will fund their own accommodation. Do you mean by working?

Or if you mean with valuables, what exactly?

We aren’t overpopulated. We have loads of land but 50% of land is owned by only 20 organisations / families. That’s not just green beautiful land. England has the strangest laws in place that protect land owners - protect them from anyone else finding out, should they want, that they own land. Guy Shrubsole wrote a book called “Who Owns England?” Getting under the skin of this. We have plenty of money and plenty of land - it’s just one hands of a super small group of people, many of whom don’t live here. I’m in my late 40s and seriously, have never seen anything like the sheer bile coming out of far right corners - that are creating fear and manipulating the very real concerns many have that there isn’t affordable housing, that the nhs is on its knees, that education is too expensive, that our bills are too expensive, that food is too expensive, that public transport is too expensive….we are in the midst of a depression, we have gone past a recession. England is built on the backs of migration and also England still governs 30 + countries via the commonwealth. It is an international country and also if it wants to pull the draw bridge up then really it has to sort out the legacy of its past and be consistent with its relationship with commonwealth countries too…..

If anyone needed any evidence as to why Reform is surging, this post is it. These people never learn.

According to the Independent they will have paid approximately £7k for a boat crossing, some making repeated attempts. If they are able to find funds for that then then that can go towards accommodation.

Yet Denmark reduced migration with v similar policies.

The 1 in 1 out is still a trial, its not yet implemented, 2 returned, 1 sent back, 1 about to be.

Courts seem to be tougher now too.

This lie needs to be busted that England is built off the backs of migrants. It’s not.

This fetishization of migrants is so odd. Why do people get so hysterical and irrational over migrants. They are just people. Like people anywhere. They don’t come here to contribute, no more that anyone else already here earning a wage. Some come here to earn a salary, a totally transactional relationship. And some come here to get free stuff. Just like the many already here who only live off other people and try and get free stuff at every opportunity.

The difference is that we don’t need to bring in people to give them free stuff.

The money is gone already. You’re not going to get more from people.

Have Labour said how they’ll do this?

The point about integration tho - some of the English aren’t great at all at integrating abroad. I lived in London most of my life and I loved the fact over 200 languages were spoken in London and you literally could journey around the world trying out different cuisines across the city. England used to be an outwardly looking nation, proud of its international status and welcoming to its commonwealth & post empire communities coming to UK. I feel very sad that somehow in past decade we have a dominant media culture that really is going backwards and eqating Englishness with insularity. It’s even as bonkers now as equating Englishness with whiteness.