Labour's new policies for asylum seekers

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Are rumoured to follow Denmark's, which include the seizure of valuables from people arriving here to pay their accommodation costs.

Is anyone else disgusted by this?! How will it work, they can take people's jewellery, phones etc., and leave them with nothing? What sort of message does that send?

I am predicting riots. Some of the ‘protests’ we have seen are really racist riots being downplayed by the media because it’s big burly British wrapped in union jacks and St George flags.

Thanks for the information.
I assume (please correct me if wrong) that those arriving illegally and claiming asylum do not pay whilst their claim is being processed (I think average length of time is now around 1 year) and neither whilst they go through (on many occasions) appeals.

They’re in limbo. Can’t work. Get less than £10/week.
So with what money can they pay?

A good reform would be to allow asylum seekers that pass the criminal background check to live in the community and work a job while their claim is being processed. Then they’d be paying into the system, learning English, integrating.

Thanks for confirming.
Interesting suggestion - how do you envisage that working without increasing the attractiveness of the UK as a destination (some would say even more so)? Don't you think that ensuring more expedite processing and putting a limit to appeals is probably first point of call?

This thread is a good example of the fact that a Reform government is inevitable.

Are people really as naive as they pretend to be on this thread. These are not asylum seekers, they are economic migrants. You can’t blame them, anyone would do the same. But the system is unsustainable and people are not happy with it. No matter what the leftie echo chamber of a small minority thinks.

My word, what a naive post, with respect.

In some areas of the country this isn't true.

I have to visit DM's gp regularly. Every time there is a waiting room at least 70% full of people who can barely speak English. Same when I had to take her to a&e.

My family are immigrants too, but they worked hard and made sure they spoke the language and fit into English culture. This latest wave of legal immigration has been nothing but a detriment to the UKs finances and social cohesion. It is people like this and those defending their useless arses that will lead to far right politics and societal breakdown.

I don't blame the british public, we are mad too. I do blame those who have enabled this disaster to happen

Can Labour launch any policy at the moment without it turning into a complete and utter shambles within half a day? So many u-turns is bonkers.

Its a function of their inherent incompetence, and division within the party.

The wishes of a minority of back benchers have held the country to ransom.

It is bonkers.

The UK is attractive as a legacy of the British Empire. We went all around the planet and now as a result our language is the most widely spoken in the world. It is far and away the #1 second language in the globe.

Asylum seekers think of here, and other English speaking countries as their top choices because they have already learned some of the language. In many cases we also directly or indirectly caused or were complicit in the wars and environmental disasters that caused them to flee for their lives. Eg the Afghan interpreters…

No amount of claim limits and hostility is going to change this enough to reduce the # of asylum seekers to any acceptable number to Reform and their ilk. I know this because right now asylum seekers are only a fraction of total immigration (less than 10%).

If too much immigration/population were the problem, there would not be this hyper focus on asylum seekers but on the economic migrants that make up between 250k-500k per year - those who come on skilled worker visas because companies prefer to hire a foreigner over a British uni graduate. You’ve seen the stats on unemployment for under 25s? And that our graduates cannot find work?

That’s not going to get much headline space because the politicians are all invested in the companies hiring in cheaper skilled foreign labour.

What’s not true? HMRC doesn’t care if you speak English well or not, you’re still going to pay the same taxes as a British citizen. Any obvious immigrant who is here legally (and illegals avoid GP surgeries and A&E because they have no NHS#) then they are also paying the extra annual surcharges.

So what is not true?

I do have to agree with some of your point. Many immigrants are unhappy about many of the new ones. It surprises lots of left.
The rising issue means more issues for us, integrated, productive immigrants. Voicing our unhappy is essentially a self defemce if that makes sense.

But god forbid immigrant on here says they are unhappy with immigration situation. I saw someone being accused of pretending tp be an immigrant because immigrants could not possibly have issue with any part of immigration 😂

I have seen the stats on unemployment in the under-25 group and the (more shocking ones) on economic inactivity. Agree that any skilled visa scheme should consider the level of demand and supply for those skills in the economy - not sure that the relevant comparison is the one you use of economic migrants that make 250k-500k, though as, even for 'magic circle' firms, those are not salaries to be commanded by under 25s).

As for the pull of language and historic links, it is interesting many of those illegal immigrants are neither from countries with historic links to the UK nor speak the language (in fact, some of the continued complains from the likes of the Refugee Council is that not enough government support is given for language lessons and other support for integration).

PS. I use the terms 'illegal immigrants' and 'legal immigrants' rather than 'asylum seekers' and 'economic migrants'. There is not perfect correlation and also language does matter.

I think it’s very sad, I would hope it wouldn’t happen. People are travelling here to escape troubles (whether economic or conflict). Taking their possessions is a low blow.

So should the many ‘’expat’’ British people who emigrate to different countries, don’t learn the language and just refuse to integrate, instead opening up English shops and restaurants and making little England. That’s all hunky dory though, isn’t it? The same standards we expect of others don’t apply to us. The British are staggeringly entitled and arrogant beyond belief.

Asylum seekers who return to their home countries on holiday will be denied refugee status under Labour’s new plans.

How cruel!

I can't read if that's sarcasm or not🙈
I assume yes.

I knew people who did that and it was mind boggling. They literally paid smugglers to smuggle them back from next country because they gave up their citizensip etc.
It was not life or death of relative situations, just annual family visit.

But it’s not ‘hunky dory’. One doesn’t have to be exclusive to the other. I strongly take issue with people choosing to live here without learning English, who choose not to integrate. And equally, I disagree with ex pat Brits moving abroad doing the same thing. Although has to be said that ex pats have to support themselves so aren’t a drain on their new country, unlike the immigrants we take in here.

Well, you know, it kind of makes sense? If someone comes here to escape danger in their country, but then returns to visit family, it clearly shows they've lied through their arses to get asylum here, so on that basis alone they should be stopped from coming back here.

Having experienced Spanish hospitals, I can assure you that those expats will be expected (and rightly so) to pay for an interpreter if they can't understand the language. And they won't be provided leaflets or other forms of literature in English, but in Spanish only.

As for creating little outposts of their home country, I find it rather sad (what is the point of moving abroad if you are not embracing the culture) as I find (the more prevalent and not-yet-mentioned in this thread) the lack of integration in many areas in the UK. That is why, as mentioned in a previous post, it is interesting what will be done (or not) on the integration front.

It’s not stealing. It’s contributing to the services they are going to use. The welfare system; the roads; schools; the NHS.

In the past I’ve had to sell family heirlooms to pay my bills. That’s life. My great nan’s gold gate bracelet was particularly painful, but had to be done. I really don’t see why you’re getting upset about this. Personally I see it as fair.

I haven’t read the full thread because I can’t be bothered

But at the end of the day we can’t afford all the asylum seekers,( not that a lot are most appear to e economic migrants trying it on)

asylum seekers should stay in the first safe country they come to, and by all means look to move to the Uk, but through proper channels with visas and the rest as well as having funds to stay here without help from the UK Government

I agree taking rings off fingers is not on, but if someone arrives with a load of valuables why shouldnt they pay

And, just to add, they have a choice. It’s not like we’re forcing them to flee here from France. If they don’t want to contribute to British society, they can opt not to come over.