Labour's new policies for asylum seekers

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Are rumoured to follow Denmark's, which include the seizure of valuables from people arriving here to pay their accommodation costs.

Is anyone else disgusted by this?! How will it work, they can take people's jewellery, phones etc., and leave them with nothing? What sort of message does that send?

Luckily we have a human rights lawyer in charge who is putting money in his friends' pockets by trying to implement this.

Your taxes are paying for it.

What constructive debate is there?

you seem to believe that immigrants are the root of all our issues, rather than the systematic underfunding of public services in favour of the Tory’s mates

I’ve met plenty of migrants.

Have you been directly impacted by immigration?

What a load of nonsense! Any room in your place? No, I didnt think so...

Exactly! It’s like women who’ve never been sexually assaulted that have no problem with transwomen in female loos. Unless you live next to an asylum hotel you can’t really judge if someone is wrong to feel unsafe around them.

Tbh I’m sick of it being that anyone who has a negative view of immigration is automatically called a racist. I’m not at all racist but this has to be controlled.

I have absolute sympathy for any person who genuinely is fleeing war. But the majority of immigrants we have entering this country aren’t fleeing war, they are unchecked men who are, as far as I can see, fleeing France. They have passed through many safe countries to get here.

We live in a small town. We have multiple HMOs that have cropped up - many nearby to high schools - and there is an hotel in our area which up until recently also was filled to the brim. The hotel has backed out of their agreement with the government because of the behaviour - there were constantly police there and the local business on the same site, a pub, made many complaints about their customers, mainly the females, being harassed upon entry and exit.

There are many many reports of young girls being followed and harassed by these men in our town. One young girl has been raped.

I don’t feel safe in our area. I’ve stopped running when it’s dark. And I worry about my daughter when she is out. Just because you feel safe OP, doesn’t mean that there aren’t many out there who are being impacted upon with immigration.

You can’t play chess with a pigeon. No point in trying..

Please tell me where I said immigrants are the root of all our issues or even where I implied this?

I have not posted anything at all about my views on the debate either way.
You are absolutely making up what you want to read there.

The constructive debate would be something along the lines of:

Why are you so against immigration?
Wait for an answer and then refute the points made.

Not:

You don't agree with me and support immigration so you must be racist scum

Absolutely - suicidal empathy, as its known.

This is an argument for carefully locating people whilst quickly processing asylum claims, but also for treating them better in the interim. The awful living conditions bring out the worst in people.

I meant beyond your gardeners and your husband's chauffeurs?

There's a thread in the chat section about MN having apparently decided to (finally) crack down on malicious posts.

It would be good if they would also start removing the posts of persistent trolls. The current situation is ridiculous- "troll hunting" is banned so you end up with thread after thread derailed by the pointless spamming of bad faith posters, and PPs mistakenly trying to engage with them. And you're not allowed to call out the obvious.

Is it though? I don’t think it’s that anyone believes we live in a concrete world as such, it’s more that being from a privileged first world country, they just can’t ever imagine their quality of life seriously degrading or there not being some magic government solution for everything. They think the worst case scenarios will simply never happen, that projections are a fantasy.

Stop weaponising the racist word to allow this country to continue to be broken. I do not like Labour but this is the first I see they are being brave to sort this mess. Let’s see if they really do it.

Completely understand this point, but the very crux of the issue is that a high percentage of these people are not genuine asylum seekers. We can’t physically accept every single person who arrives - and again this isn’t racist in any way - but we just don’t have the infrastructure, the housing, services or the finances to support it.

I mean - the NHS is bad enough at the moment. Imagine how bad it will be when these 18000 jobs are cut? National debt is huge. How on earth can we house and afford to pay benefits to so many additional thousands of immigrants?

That's a controversial point at the moment.

https://thecritic.co.uk/germany-is-acknowledging-the-unspeakable/

The Germany-wide statistics on sexual violence were also sobering. An internal study by the German federal law enforcement agency, leaked to a Zurich newspaper, revealed that asylum-seekers have committed some 7,000 sexual assaults (ranging from groping to gang-rape ) between 2015 and 2023. Although they make up only 2.5 per cent of the population, asylum-seekers made up 13.1 per cent of all sexual-assault suspects in 2021.

In 2023, there were 761 gang-rapes registered in Germany — almost two per day; 47.5 per cent of the suspects were foreigners. The frequency of such crimes — which were rare in Germany as late as the 1990s — has hovered between 600 and 800 per year for the past 7 years. The statistics go on for page after mind-numbing (or mind-boggling) page. Berlin’s police chief delivered the upshot: “Bluntly stated, our numbers show that violence in Berlin is young, male, and has a non-German background.” What is straining German law enforcement (and society) is the sheer number of young male asylum-seekers.

Germany famously relaxed its border controls in 2015-2016, permitting an influx of some 1.3 million people from countries such as Syria, Afghanistan, Iran, and Turkey. Then as now, about 70 per cent of asylum-seekers were male and most are under 35 years old.Current numbers are off this peak but still high: in 2023, 351,000 asylum-seekers entered Germany, more than the population of Germany’s former capital Bonn. Most of these men have no German skills, little education (a 2016 study revealed only 34 per cent could read the Latin alphabet), no experience with alcohol, and no experience interacting with women not related to them.

300 million people are on the move at any one time and we are a highly attractive destination with no effective borders.

I think it’ll be a strange system if people come over and get jobs picking fruit or whatever and then can’t settle down.

You’ll get a steady flow of younger men crossing the Channel and are you really ok with just using them for labour in that way?

The culture of the UK is immigration and diversity. We have always been a wonderfully diverse country so nothing is changing at all. Don’t buy in to the right wing narrative.