Labour's new policies for asylum seekers

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Are rumoured to follow Denmark's, which include the seizure of valuables from people arriving here to pay their accommodation costs.

Is anyone else disgusted by this?! How will it work, they can take people's jewellery, phones etc., and leave them with nothing? What sort of message does that send?

The background here is that in a PP I listed a number of well respected sources refuting @Rexinasaurus ’s claim.

Still no sources, I see

I don’t know the internal country breakdown but agree Wales and, famously, Scotland, are surely less populated than England. Yes, the countries I listed are among the most dense in Europe. The more dense countries are very small - Vatican City, Monaco, Malta, etc.

I think England has highest population density discounting the tiny countries you mention. So maybe the opposition has grounds on that basis.

There is so much space in England. I mentioned the Lake District but you’ve got the Peaks, and most of Devon is uninhabited. Plenty of space to create new settlements for recently arrived migrants to settle in and contribute positively to society. We import our food so green spaces really aren’t necessary.

‘Green spaces aren’t necessary’.

Jesus wept.

You are a joy let’s bulldoze the lot

Fair enough that asylum seekers should be housed where it is less crowded. We have such areas. But as I said this needs to be in the context of a supportive package.

Divorce it from racism. I am still reeling from the fact that AI told me this morning that the Hero of Huntingdon was a train passenger with a British name. (I remember it but the fellow did nothing wrong - in fact he was a secondary hero - so I won’t mention it). Samir Zitouni was so clearly the key figure, even when the incident was discussed in Parliament. No one I am aware of took the chance to mention he is an Algerian immigrant. If we are going to highlight bad bad behaviour by immigrants and asylum seekers we should also highlight good behaviour.

Are we more or less safe following importing thousands of undocumented men?

Going by figures that would mean Wales and Scotland. Are people ready for that?

If asylum seekers could make a positive impact on their communities - as farm labourers (jobs the British do not want) or fishermen, etc - that might help a lot.

I think the people of Wales and Scotland will step up to the plate in that regard. They have always been a welcoming bunch (especially the Scottish), it is highly likely they will show us up with their integration record.

@EasternStandard
It was never a means for mass removals BUT the UK has built into its immigration rules that asylum seekers can be required to claim asylum in a first safe country - I don’t know if Germany or ROI does.
Anyway, while I’m heading to work at the moment the point I was making re the DC isn’t “now we can’t remove anyone because Brexit” but it’s one method of facilitating removals and of encouraging voluntary returns that we no longer have. That’s all I was saying about Brexit (well other than the Eurodac loss).
I just spotted this which discusses these topics with more up to date information that I have (re so called inadmissible claims, deterrent factors and the DC).

researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-9724/CBP-9724.pdf

If Labour cannot get immigration reform through, then you can add that to their inability to get welfare reform through.

That makes them in government, but not in power.

The electorate did not sign up for this.

Starmer needs to get his back benches in line.

The 1951 UN Treaty to which the UK is a signatory does not require this. It is unclear at best whether the UK law has any teeth

And we take a smaller number than those countries.

Much easier being in opposition isn’t it, Starmer?

No it’s not a deterrent, this is a theme which has gained ground but is misinformation.

People can come to the UK as first point of entry by not claiming elsewhere first.

I feel perfectly safe.

I do have sympathy for the people who come because they obviously are having a much worse time of it than I am. However, quite recently a lot of the people on the boats were Albanian men. The biggest human rights violation in Albania is domestic violence.

Their numbers have gone down presumably because they weren’t allowed to stay and were put off, but the cost of processing those people would have been huge. Roughly £12,000 each.

It is a bit simplistic to say it is just the vile racists who object. I think most people recognise there are massive issues with the system.

I am interested in whether the working rules will change as indicated. It’ll have a big impact.

Do you live in an area that's seen high migration?

It doesn't sound like you've ever even met a migrant.

And you right here are exactly why the right wing is going to get into power!

Rather than having constructive debate and trying to understand why people hold different views to you they are just categorised as racists who need to be dealt with.

People feel like they are being ignored and that people like you are treating them with contempt which only pushes them further right.