So who is going to be brave enough to ask whether Shabana Mahmood's proposed reforms are right/sensible/racist?

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Is Shabana Mahmood right or wrong to restrict asylum seeker's rights? In general?

What’s a temporary refugee? If you mean asylum seeker then they’re not allowed to work.

By that I meant someone fleeing from a war torn country or natural disaster, or a vicious regime. Where there is potential for that situation to reverse.

A bit like taking your neighbour in when their house floods. You'd expect them to go home when it's fixed up, not carry on staying with you (and possibly rent their house out)

Asylum seekers then. They are unfortunately not allowed to work. They are kept in limbo on purpose.

They're allowed to work once their application is processed.

Once they have been granted refugee status. Which takes awhile.

My concerns are around what seems a country safe. I would t say somewhere like Afghanistan is anywhere near safe. But parts of Ukraine are. Things can also change fast so the govt could look at safe routes for asylum.

I guess if peace resulted in the return of Ukrainians then perhaps there might be more incentive on the world to encourage it to happen.

They're currently called asylum seekers but once processed they acquire a "settled" status.

So I think that having different categories might be useful.

E.g.
A. I'm looking for temporary safe haven from war
B. I'm looking to avoid conscription.
C. My politics puts me in danger
Etc

Similarly other categories exist
A. I'm on a student visa in full-time learning
B. I'm on a student visa in my post-course work window
C. I'm on a student visa who's overstayed
D. I'm on a skilled worker visa
E. I'm on a skilled workers visa but not employed as a skilled worker
F. I'm looking to become a British citizen
G. I'm friends and family with someone in the UK
H. I'm a foreign worker employed by a foreign country here on secondment (and thus not paying NI)

Even if only to improve on the stats the public get (though the media and others are rubbish at differentiating). Plus it would also be possible to see what the criteria would be for return to your home country.

I think it might quell the attitude of people seeing all migrants as the same

There is already differentiation. But you’re right the media and the public are rubbish at telling the difference

Just before Brexit many EU citizens applied for pre settled status so they could stay post Brexit. Awaiting settled status.

Asylum seekers are granted refugee status.

Most people in France, Poland, Greece etc didn't flee. Those that did were the elderly, sick, women, children. It wasn't fighting aged men.

Er, actually it was the fighting age men that fled.
You haven’t read your history have you.
The Poles who were not interred in camps or shot or forced to work as slave labour and who managed to escape, joined the war effort on the side of the Allies.
Poland lost 5.6 million of its inhabitants

Yes. Having been to Poland, I can see how much they value their own country. I wish we had that spirit in the UK, especially among the elites, to value our country and defend its borders.

Most ordinary people want to see that.

I’m actually incensed that someone implied that they “fled”
This couldn’t be further from the truth.
Absolutely insulting

The Polish government does have a good border policy : they give humanitarian aid to migrants but Tusk is not falling for Lukashenko's tactics

The men who left Poland fled communism which they had little chance of defeating. Most didn't have much chance to flee WW2 even if they had wanted to. Some were conscripted into the German army, others used as forced labour or dent to concentration camps. (Part Pole myself)

Property should be next on the list! Why build on our greenbelt when so many houses are empty.

France, Poland and Greece in WW2?

French men were already AT war when the invasion of France happened. They didn't have much choice

Polish men mainly would have wanted to fight and did as soon as able but many were unable to join Resistance due to being in camps or forced labour.

I wouldn't blame any man for fleeing that fate, anyway. Would you?

Greece- don't know enough but I'd imagine similar.