So who is going to be brave enough to ask whether Shabana Mahmood's proposed reforms are right/sensible/racist?

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Is Shabana Mahmood right or wrong to restrict asylum seeker's rights? In general?

Uhm, it's not a binary choice.

I think Reform etc will have no choice but to back it. Rupert Lowe has said he will too.

I think it’s a binary choice between continuing as we are or having immigration at nearly 0. Because unless we tighten up in a far reaching and thorough way, subtle changes will just be open to yet more exploitation. They will always find a loophole or way to break into the country and exercise their ‘right’ to live here.

It IS our problem once they are in the country. Currently there is no way of sending anyone back to Afghanistan for example, as there are no air routes and we have no agreement with the Taliban to return people. So even if they are unsuccessful in seeking asylum, they are stuck here.

Just today it was announced that we have only managed to return one failed asylum seekers to Namibia, two to DRC and none to Angola, as those countries simply refuse to co-operate.

There's lots we can do in between - obviously tighten up on illegal migration, but as illegal migration is only a small fraction of total immigration we could look at:

• Securely detain those claiming asylum with the proviso that an asylum decision is reached within a two week period. No one is going to complain about being stuck in a barracks for two weeks if they are genuine.
• Get rid of family visas for all student visas. Sure, come here to study, but you can't bring your spouse and children too.
• No working on student visas - no more helping out at your uncle's petrol station 200 miles away from where you are supposedly enrolled at college.
• No grace period after completing your studies - even if you have a job offer from a UK company you need to return home and go through the visa process from there.
• Get rid of family and adult dependent visas for anyone on the health and care worker visa and all the overseas employer visas, make it only available for the global talent visa, innovator founder visa, and the high potential individual visa - basically, only rich people can bring their spouse and children.
• Get rid of the India Young Professionals Visa (agreed as part of our FTA with India)
• Get rid of all adult dependent visas - no more bringing your parents over.
• Increase the period before you can apply for ILR to 10 years.

Of course with a crashing birthrate and a rapidly ageing population implementing all the above is likely to have a severe impact on the economy but at this point I don't think a lot of people really care about that. Still, there will be a lot fewer brown care workers which is what matters right?

She's right I think tbh. Immigration, legal and illegal is ridiculously high and unsustainable.

If it's a dangerous place, how is it ok to return someone there to face danger?

What do you think makes the place dangerous? Answer: the people. So why accept fairly unvetted immigration from there?

If Angola is their country of origin, where else would you suggest they are deported?

Don't have to worry about migrants now. Labour have a new plan, it's called increased incentive payments to leave. What a truly great Gov't we have now.

@Thatstheheatingon Did you not actually read the thread before commenting; I said earlier their safety is NOT our concern!

Couldn't give a fig where they go as long as they go.

Our safety is paramount - NOT the safety of those arriving illegally who we have no clue about and endangering our own citizens. Arriving from dangerous countries oh yeah let's keep them ! duh...

Stop with the bleeding hearts, that is why we are in such a holy mess right now.

It is long overdue for us to get tough.

Stop putting the safety of unknowns above our own!

Yeh that’s not going to do it.

I don't have to memorise every individual post to point out the flaw in your argument.
Of course, I was starting from the premise that we give a fuck about other humans, which I see is not one that is shared.

What is absolutely obvious is that the country is divided into two halves that hate each other.

Is this the strength of diversity?

Mahmood talking now.

Do you not understand that some countries wont accept back migrants and that other countries are not possible to fly into.

Don't ask difficult questions!

What remote island? Go on - name one. Of our remaining overseas territories, all of them would rather declare independence than be used as a dumping ground for the UK's unwanted.

Yes this is issue with those that go on about Australia, they had an economically dependent country that would take their migrants, all of them, plus the boats were solid and could be turned back.

The Turn back policy was actually the one that worked, shipping them to Nauru didn't, migrant numbers increased.

The UK cannot do any of this.

Ah yes at this post. The same stuff comes up in these posts.

No one cares where they go we just don't want them here that is the consensus. Get them gone.

Everyone is sick to the back teeth of the lefties bleating on about the safety and rights of the illegals.

That is not washing any longer.

Labour are in the mire now. The policies are crack pot and the back benchers unhappy.

She's talking tough but I really hope that's not all it is. Once the globalist backbenchers and activist lawyers get their teeth into this, we could be back to where we are now, soft touch Britain, a pathetic, weak laughing stock.

Either they sort this out or we're facing civil war.