Birmingham attack gone quiet ?!

[AlwaysHopefull89]

correct me if I have missed anything here on this… but has the news gone quiet on the woman who was attacked unprovoked in Birmingham? Do we know who done it?!

You mean you raised kids in China as an Expat?
My understanding of Expat kids in Asia is that they often attend international schools and mix more within the Expat community than the general Chinese community. Would you say this is accurate...or not?

So you mean that if a black or Indian person, say, married a Chinese person & raised their kids there, the kids would be considered not Chinese at all, but if a European person married & raised kids in China with a Chinese person, they would be seen as an edge case?

If that's what you mean, isn't that anti-black and brown people? What do you think about that?

It agree with her on this to some extent. There is a very good piece in National Geographic I'll try to find. It's not true that nothing can be done, a lot of therapy youth has been shown to make a difference. But there's still a big risk.

Can you not do your own research instead of asking disingenuous questions?

This is already being used in the UK, this link discusses the drawbacks which are mainly around cost and the potential to link DNA back to people across the world because of the databases being used contain global data. Note - the drawbacks are not about inaccuracies and the link clearly states this method is needed in the UK.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/use-of-genetic-genealogy-techniques-to-assist-with-solving-crimes/should-we-be-making-use-of-genetic-genealogy-to-assist-in-solving-crime-a-report-on-the-feasibility-of-such-methods-in-the-uk-accessible-version

Seconded

Thank you

https://www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/assembly/commission-on-knife-crime-in-black-community

What does this have to do with this thread? What relevance is a commission on knife crime in London to an incident in Birmingham?

Oh hold on that link is 4 years old - why are you posting old irrelevant links?

Why is it a disingenuous question? Why would I research things you posted?

Also your link doesn’t address my question?

The quotation marks are there because it’s a legal conviction, no other reason - the victim was a friend of his who he had irrational delusions about for years - thankfully he’s ok and his injuries were minor. If he had been appropriately treated after his first episode and services had taken notice of what I was saying this attack would never had happened. Quite often families and loved ones try to alert mh services of potential danger but get ignored. THIS must be fixed.

@YoMyFoot

The quotation marks are there because it’s a legal conviction, no other reason - the victim was a friend of his who he had irrational delusions about for years - thankfully he’s ok and his injuries were minor. If he had been appropriately treated after his first episode and services had taken notice of what I was saying this attack would never had happened. Quite often families and loved ones try to alert mh services of potential danger but get ignored. THIS must be fixed.

I think you meant to quote another member but still I have empathy (for your family and the victim). Our mental health services need a massive overhaul.

Is he still in jail and is there any contact with the victim?

This is the piece I referenced https://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/13/magazine/can-you-call-a-9-year-old-a-psychopath.html

You’ve given a valid point to why we shouldn’t have undocumented immigrants coming into the country in the thousands because we don’t have the resources to deal with their mental health problems, the services are stretched enough as it is for the people born here, which you will know more than anyone.

If you want to say the Chinese as a group are racist, well I guess you can say whatever you want.

It was just my observation that mixed race children of European heritage did not bother them as much as other groups. These children do face a lot of discrimination, not so much legally but socially. Just the way it is.

Depends on whether you are on the expat package or not. There are international sections of local schools for those with lesser means, and some international families preferred the rigor of Chinese schools (an insane choice imo).

'Just the way it is.' Seems rather a blasé attitude to racial discrimination. Interesting also coming from an American- I might've thought your country's history of successful opposition to racial discrimination might cause you to have a different view.

And yes, while I wouldn't want to make a blanket statement about Chinese people as a group, if they'd feel more uncomfortable about black-Chinese than white European-Chinese couples, all things being equal, and this is a majority opinion, then yes. That is racist.

I do think there is a strong element of general racism in Chinese society. There's the long tradition of Han supremacist feeling, for one.

The treatment of the Uighurs and the general apathy towards their ethnic cleansing or at the very least forced sterilisation, abortion & reeducation camps is a disgusting example of that.

I've also read accounts from black people who went to work in China and felt they were treated worse due to their race than other Expat workers. Anecdotally, Chinese people I've spoken to have argued that Chinese people often view black people negatively in the abstract but treat individuals well, I can see that being accurate...

I've also read reports that Chinese companies often refuse to hire black workers when they hire internationally. Do you think this is true? I've read similar for some Arab companies.

Just the way it is.' Seems rather a blasé attitude to racial discrimination. Interesting also coming from an American- I might've thought your country's history of successful opposition to racial discrimination might cause you to have a different view

If I applied American or Western standards to all the peoples I have lived among, I would probably die of a brain hemorrhage.

It’s rather demanding of a person to come, of their own choice, to another country and demand they change for your own cultural sensitivities? It’s better to acknowledge they are a certain way and make peace with it (or leave).

And yes, while I wouldn't want to make a blanket statement about Chinese people as a group, if they'd feel more uncomfortable about black-Chinese than white European-Chinese couples, all things being equal, and this is a majority opinion, then yes. That is racist

From a Western POV, yes. But you have to keep in mind that Chinese have not been raised under ‘all men are equal’ thinking. They generally don’t believe this, it’s a Christian concept. So they make these judgements based on the success of your country. You come from a highly developed country? They can respect you. Come from a third world, violent country? They will generally NOT respect that. And not bother to hide that (the continued existence of Japanese people is really a blind spot here)

I've also read accounts from black people who went to work in China and felt they were treated worse due to their race than other Expat workers

Yeah no doubt. But I think black Americans (maybe black British?) are treated somewhat better than Africans based on the hierarchy I describe above.

Anecdotally, Chinese people I've spoken to have argued that Chinese people often view black people negatively in the abstract but treat individuals well, I can see that being accurate

I think Chinese people (like Chinese people in mainland China, diaspora is a little different) are very curious at heart about foreigners and can be very open and friendly.

I've also read reports that Chinese companies often refuse to hire black workers when they hire internationally. Do you think this is true? I've read similar for some Arab companies

Surely this doesn’t surprise you?

Yes - apologies for that and thank you for your kind words.

He was arrested while in psychosis (no drugs or alcohol involved) just very unwell, could not be sectioned from custody so was sent to prison where he cut his throat with a razor blade - luckily the prison psychiatrist was aware he was unwell but lack of staffing meant checks were not put in place. He was then transferred to a medium secure forensic psych hospital, diagnosed and treated - this should have happened 6 years before but didn’t - it’s only when things get tragic & desperate that proper care is received - he believed he was a superhero saving the world from AI and paedophiles - schizophrenia can be horrendous. He is under an indefinite hospital order. He was once a bright & happy kid.

He fell out with the victim many years ago after the victim made an inappropriate sexual comment about my youngest daughter who was 7 at the time - this developed into a dangerous delusion.

They have no contact and going forward it will remain the same - both boys are recovering.

The police hadn’t released her name when I commented. I still think it is distasteful argument.

Sure(?) I find the entire crime to be distasteful.

Ultimately, she was a white woman in her 30s with autism. Any of those traits might have been why he targeted her, given that the murder was unprovoked.