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To feel that DD2 has ruined ours lives

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Hoverflies · 08/11/2025 18:40

She is 3.5. Every single day since she was born has been so hard. She fed constantly as a baby and if she was awake and not feeding she was screaming. She was never content as a baby, never slept well and ever since has been screaming at us every single day for huge portions of the day. She has a meltdown multiple times per hour, she screams at us all and hits us constantly and her sister. Every day involves her changing her clothes constantly and screaming that it's too tight, too loose, doesn't feel right. She won't wear any shoes. The car seat is too tight, its too loose, its wonky. She's constantly destroying things and throwing things. She's been screaming got most of the evening because she's hungry but won't eat any of the food, she's cold but won't wear any clothes, she's exhausted but she won't go to bed.

But then at other times and with other people she is a delight. Smiley, funny and happy. Very clever. People actually think we are making it up! Meanwhile we are actually thinking we might need to move house because the walls are so thin that the neighbours will be hearing screaming for almost the entire time we are at home.

We have basically spent the time she has been alive extremely stressed and exhausted. Our good relationship with DD1 was destroyed as we had hardly any energy for her and I end up taking things out on her and being too hard on her. We like to play games together and read and do crafts but it's so hard when DD2 is around because she just ruins it every time. I can barely hear what DD1 is saying to me most of the time over the shouting. My relationship with DP is in the toilet because of the stress.

I don't know if she has PDA or if she has got extremely high cortisol levels as she was basically starved as a newborn, she lost so much weight and took months to put it back on because she couldn't feed properly.

I constantly think of the lovely time we would all be having without her here which I know is awful. I do love her so much but our lives at the moment feel far worse for her being here.

OP posts:
LexiFeatherston · 09/11/2025 11:32

Lavenduhhh · 08/11/2025 18:45

I have a teenager who was (and still is) exactly like this. He's diagnosed ASD and ADHD now and has fairly severe mental health issues on top. My best advice is to push for diagnosis as early as possible and take all the help and support you're offered. Bonus if you can go private. Good luck. It's wrecked my mental health.

Us too. It is exhausting and has seriously affected our quality of life as a family. The earlier you seek support, the better.

tierdytierd · 09/11/2025 11:38

Caplin · 08/11/2025 20:57

That is because you are her safe place. She holds all those big feelings till she gets home and she knows you will still love her. Does she stim, thumb suck, rub silky material, wrap herself in cosy blankets, crawl into small dark places?

Thank you, I hope she feels that way, She has her Muslin, that she keeps near by, when she’s overwhelmed, she picks that up for comfort. She is a fan of texture/touches most things.
shes amazing i love her, the emotions flash super quick and very big x

Tamtim · 09/11/2025 11:39

It sounds incredibly stressful for you. It sounds like you could use some time each week to step away and have some breathing space. It also sounds like you could use some help to understand what she needs and how to deal with her behaviour. Please don’t beat yourself up about your feelings, you’re exhausted by it all but do seek help.

stargirl1701 · 09/11/2025 11:48

DD1 was very similar. It turned out to be autism. She was our eldest. Talk to your HV. Ask about a referral to SaLT. We used Boardmaker a great deal for communication to eliminate that ‘demand’. We deferred her school start too which was most beneficial when she started secondary school.

I had a breakdown when she started primary school. I’m not sure I ever recovered.

Lavenduhhh · 09/11/2025 11:51

Bumblebee0388 · 09/11/2025 01:30

Hi! My youngest DD was like this and still is to some degree. I'm afraid to wake her up in the mornings because she scares me! My DM said out of all the grandkids she is the hardest to look after. She has always been very fiery with an aggressive temperament. I explored the idea of her being potentially neurodiverse however dont think this is the case. She overachieves in school abd at parents even I'm told shes head girl material! I was like pardon?! She's the most loving little girls one minute then will straight up kick you in the shins for looking at her wrong the next minute. I want to reassure you that I gets better as they get older. Mine is 7 now and her behaviour has improved recently. I was worried about her ruining her own childhood and also ruining it for my other DD who is 10 and the total opposite to her. I'm always told her will go far in life with her fiery attitude. She gets bullied in school sometimes and I wonder how she doesn't just deck the young lad! She knows who she has to behave for and who she can act up in front of. Dreading the teenage years! All the best to you OP and be kind to yourself, I did and still do carry a lot of guilt for shouting back and being at the end of my tether but it is so hard! X

This is still quite a classic presentation of female autism.

mrsconradfisher · 09/11/2025 12:02

Hoverflies · 08/11/2025 18:40

She is 3.5. Every single day since she was born has been so hard. She fed constantly as a baby and if she was awake and not feeding she was screaming. She was never content as a baby, never slept well and ever since has been screaming at us every single day for huge portions of the day. She has a meltdown multiple times per hour, she screams at us all and hits us constantly and her sister. Every day involves her changing her clothes constantly and screaming that it's too tight, too loose, doesn't feel right. She won't wear any shoes. The car seat is too tight, its too loose, its wonky. She's constantly destroying things and throwing things. She's been screaming got most of the evening because she's hungry but won't eat any of the food, she's cold but won't wear any clothes, she's exhausted but she won't go to bed.

But then at other times and with other people she is a delight. Smiley, funny and happy. Very clever. People actually think we are making it up! Meanwhile we are actually thinking we might need to move house because the walls are so thin that the neighbours will be hearing screaming for almost the entire time we are at home.

We have basically spent the time she has been alive extremely stressed and exhausted. Our good relationship with DD1 was destroyed as we had hardly any energy for her and I end up taking things out on her and being too hard on her. We like to play games together and read and do crafts but it's so hard when DD2 is around because she just ruins it every time. I can barely hear what DD1 is saying to me most of the time over the shouting. My relationship with DP is in the toilet because of the stress.

I don't know if she has PDA or if she has got extremely high cortisol levels as she was basically starved as a newborn, she lost so much weight and took months to put it back on because she couldn't feed properly.

I constantly think of the lovely time we would all be having without her here which I know is awful. I do love her so much but our lives at the moment feel far worse for her being here.

I haven’t read the whole thread but just wanted right say your post stood out to me so much as my DS2 was exactly the same.
DS1 was an angel then 5 years later along came DS2. He arrived 2 months early and literally turned our lives upside down. From the moment he was born, he was hard work. Had awful reflux so I spent hours feeding him for him to them vomit everywhere. Days out were meticulously planned around whether or not he would kick off. Nothing was ever right, his food, his clothes, his bed, his toys. He would scream in his pushchair then scream if we got him out to walk. I vividly remember one day just sobbing on holiday (that was a nightmare too!) as we were in this amazing place but he just couldn’t be happy. There were brief moments of calm and happiness but most of his childhood was spent trying to deal with his meltdowns.
Interestingly when he started school he calmed down a huge amount and we got to see the kind, funny little boy that he was. There were still huge meltdowns but more spaced out than they had been before. His school SENCO suggested in Year 5 to get him assessed for ASD and at the end of Year 6 he was diagnosed with ASD (we went private as after COVID the wait was 5 years here). She likened him to a cup, everyone starts their day off with a cup that’s empty so it can take the stresses of the day. With a child it might be the wrong plate, a broken toy, frustration with a friend or simply being bored. With DS, he starts his day off with his cup already completely full and any tiny little thing which might seem inconsequential to you or I will tip him over the edge. He is now 15 and genuinely one of the kindest, funniest boys there is. We still have explosions as we call them but he deals with them himself for the most part. I wish I could go back and do his childhood again, I spent so much of it wishing he hadn’t been born because he was so hard work, that I never got to appreciate him.

FoxRedPuppy · 09/11/2025 12:14

Knittedanimal · 09/11/2025 10:35

@TomatoSandwiches @ThatKeenShaker it's pertinent i think that your two responses are adjacent.
Our second dd had similar tendencies - not to the extreme extent op has described - but lots of instances of being frozen in indecision with massive rage, only being able to wear certain clothes/fabrics. Huge issues with transitions. This went on for many years. My DH assumed she was being manipulative and was doing things purposely to get her own way. I suspected she was struggling with overwhelming emotions she didn't know how to deal with. I was usually the one to deal with the rages, which in later years involved her biting herself to draw blood, headbanging the walls and pulling her hair out in clumps. These incidents often coincided with her having to go to school, on the days where i had meetings i couldn't miss. It was stressful. I took her to the GP who said he 'didn't want to label her' but suspected she had some neurodiverse tendencies. We haven't had an incident for about a year now, I am hopeful that she's grown out of her issues, or at least learned to manage them better.
I think we struggled initially to think our child had neuro differences, and it was difficult to reconcile her behaviour as indicative of these rather than her being naughty. Looking back, this was incredibly ignorant of us, and i carry alot of guilt about failing to meet my DDs needs sooner. Like others have said, please seek professional advice without delay. You will need to pay for it (although when i tried to find a private child therapist there was no one locally with capacity)

Most likely she’s learned to mask. Which is saving up issues for later.

Knittedanimal · 09/11/2025 12:26

That would be an easy assumption if you assumed i hadn't given this any thought 🙄
We chat regularly about where she's at and i offer support daily. Lots of issues still around perfectionism and self sabotage, which I'm constantly researching to offer appropriate approaches. I don't think she's masking, i think she's constantly identifying ways to manage.

MILLYmo0se · 09/11/2025 12:32

Lavenduhhh · 09/11/2025 11:51

This is still quite a classic presentation of female autism.

It really is, being autistic doesn't mean your behaviour or struggle is exactly the same in all stages and places of your life, there's a reason some many females are only diagnosed in mid to late teens

Orders76 · 09/11/2025 12:46

You're describing sensory issues so may need help for her.
Alongside this, you will have to work out some systems for her, sit down and agree rules which should assist if ND.
For example, one outfit in the morning and then you eat lunch and we change into second outfit. She knows the rules and the boundaries and how to comply.

WaitingForMojo · 09/11/2025 12:59

ThatKeenShaker · 09/11/2025 09:58

Your comment clearly proves that people (willingly or not) do not understand a strictER parenting mode setting up healthy and reasonable boundaries.

If you call normal parenting setting often irrational rules and boundaries just because you can., you just sum up everything that is wrong with the lazy permissive gentle parenting you advocate.

Thank you very much for proving my point, and showing who is unreasonable here.

There’s nothing lazy about low demand parenting an ND child. It takes a lot.

SwanSong30 · 09/11/2025 14:56

ThatKeenShaker · 08/11/2025 21:16

where is your compassion for DD1

even if you have none for the OP?

I have the upmost compassion for OP and DD1 - I work with neurodivergent children, I see the family struggles day in, day out. Your advice to OP would cause so many more problems for the family dynamic.

thesundaymarket · 09/11/2025 14:59

MysteryMZ · 09/11/2025 10:32

But so many people are adamant that because she has an aversion to different textures or fit of clothing proves that she has sensory issues and therefore simply must be autistic.

look, she’s 3. 3 year olds can be awfully hard work, defiant, irrational, pushing every boundary. This does not mean she has any medical issue beyond the realms of what is normal. Even if the other sibling is completely different, that still doesn’t prove anything. They are two separate individuals.

my (now adult) nephew is severely autistic, non verbal, essentially behaves like a 2 year old in a man’s body. Lives with 2:1 carers to keep him, his family and the wider population safe.

So yes it is frustrating to see how many children are being diagnosed as neurodivergent when their behaviour COULD be within the realms of what is perfectly normal, albeit challenging, but could be addressed using other strategies.

Autistic SPECTRUM disorder. The word spectrum is the key. I’m sorry about your nephew.

Arran2024 · 09/11/2025 17:06

MyLimeGuide · 09/11/2025 09:38

Its not being a dictator setting rules and boundaries for kids! Its helping them thrive and grow up to be functional socially acceptaptable humans! IMO

I said "irrational rules and boundaries".

Sorry, but many parents have very fixed ideas and expect their children to go along with them regardless.

My mother was like this. I had huge sensory issues as a child. I walked on tip toe, screamed the place down when it came to getting water on my face, and could not eat soft, bland food. I craved movement.

But my mother was not interested in any of my needs. For example, all the food we ate was soft and bland. I would sit literally for hours trying to eat it, as she insisted on a clean plate.

This is what I mean about irrational rules.

Too many people insist their child wears x when they want to wear y, that sort of thing. They get the paints out and expect the child to spend the next hour painting, even if the child is bored. Because they said so.

It is this kind of thing I'm talking about. Not eh allowing children to be rude or violent with no consequences.

Arran2024 · 09/11/2025 17:13

ThatKeenShaker · 09/11/2025 09:58

Your comment clearly proves that people (willingly or not) do not understand a strictER parenting mode setting up healthy and reasonable boundaries.

If you call normal parenting setting often irrational rules and boundaries just because you can., you just sum up everything that is wrong with the lazy permissive gentle parenting you advocate.

Thank you very much for proving my point, and showing who is unreasonable here.

I don't think anyone gets told to be stricter on a parenting course. The problem is usually the exact opposite - parents try to crack down on unwanted behaviour with punishments, consequences new rules, star charts, escalating to even more of the same when it doesn't work etc.

Instead you are encouraged to show curiosity and empathy, look at your key goals, learn how to keep the child regulated, using de escalation techniques.

I was sent on several parenting courses. I have even done NVR, which is a sort of gold standard parenting course. I can assure you that being strict is not where it's at.

Easy kids respond to any technique. That's not who we are talking about here.

Basically it's horse whisperer versus horse breaker.

MrsAnon6 · 09/11/2025 18:18

ThriveAT · 08/11/2025 19:46

She is autistic. Too tight / no socks - I've seen this so many times as a teacher. Picky eater - same again. She is likely masking around others, which is a huge effort. Then she is releasing it all at home. Please get her assessed.

I’ve heard of this, they call it ‘autistic burnout’. The child melts down really easily because they’re so exhausted from masking it all the time that they can’t keep their emotions in at home and just erupt.

MetalliCat89 · 09/11/2025 18:26

I'm also guessing there is some sort of neruodivergence going on there which needs addressing ASAP. Neurotypicals can't even begin to imagine what life is like for those on the spectrum.

ForNoisyCat · 11/11/2025 19:49

mamagogo1 · 08/11/2025 19:02

@florence1234567

actually I was told one of the most important things with managing autism is to have solid boundaries and a reward mechanism, if you give in once you won’t get a second chance. My dd was diagnosed at 2 so we did get early access to help (USA)

But if this child has Pathological Demand Avoidance, rather than ‘just’ autism then trying to enforce rules won’t work and will cause far far more friction. My DD was a nightmare too and I had to rally change my parenting concepts for her, but not for DS. I had to parent them differently to meet their different needs. It was excruciating and often soulless. But each year at her birthday time I would think back over the year’s teeny improvements and he very grateful of a light at the ending the tunnel. Now a young adult, still often distant, arguments, awkward but so lovely too, We even hug sometimes!!

LetMeknow2 · 11/11/2025 23:44

@ForNoisyCat your post has given me hope !

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