To think a National Emergency should be called by Starmer?

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https://news.sky.com/story/woman-critically-injured-after-being-stabbed-in-neck-in-unprovoked-attack-13466219

Another Stabbing, its daily now.

Country's been allowed to get out of hand.
Should Starmer address it?

To be honest I don’t think calling national emergency over this would get very far, what immediate action are the general public (who aren’t carrying knives themselves) supposed to take? If anything, I think unnecessarily calling a national emergency under these circumstances would actually lead to a national emergency as you’ll get people being more suspicious towards people, get more violent to each other in an attempt to head off a fictitious knife attack, vulnerable people who have no choice but to go about their days outside the house may be disproportionately impacted etc.

plus, you linked to this article that mentions a recent, unprovoked attack. However we know nothing else about that crime specifically. They may have been known to each other (in which case it wouldn’t warrant a national emergency). Plus, Birmingham is a rough city and a hotspot for crime. Statistically, although the crime is awful, I don’t think this sort of thing is unusual for Birmingham ie it’s likely within the tolerance of their predicted crime statistics (ie not warranting a national emergency).

I don’t disagree that gender based violence needs to be tackled but I don’t think you have really put forward any convincing points

You're not wrong there.

Just this week I've read posts from Mnetters saying they don't need facts and even more worryingly get their facts from their own head.🤯

The level of willful ignorance/fact resistance is shocking and bad news for the UK.

Of course you hear more about it now because the press is run by certain people that benefit from having a right wing government. A few years ago, someone stabbed in Birmingham would not get in the national press.

Have you not read about the recent scandal concerning the bias and outright lies of the BBC?

Get a cup of tea and have a read. I understand even The Guardian have had to report it.

It is difficult to believe isn't it? I imagine you feel a little bit like a four year old being told Santa doesn't exist but sometimes even our heroes have feet of clay.

I'm no fan of Starmer, but the OP is being ridiculous. I believe that violent crime has actually dropped in recent years.
Just because newspapers etc - with an agenda - decide to bang on about some issues doesn't mean we should all run around like headless chickens. We live in a very safe country.

I’m afraid you’re the gullible one. Just Google crime stats for your neighbourhood over the last 20 years but I bet if it shows crimes gone down you’ll say it’s fake facts

you know its an agenda driven by the right wing press? of course the millionaire/billionaire owners don't want more tax to pay, then want the Tories or Reform in power so that their off shore wealth is safe and so that their UK wealth is safe. The less tax the better for them.
The targetting of illegal immigrants is all part of the same rhetoric, to blame and deflect from the rich.

Looks like you fell for it.

Stabbings and knife crime is going down, but you only hear about the news that suits the agenda

I’d say it likely reached the press because it’s particularly violent, stabbing someone in the neck indicates attempted murder, it could even go as far as being a euphemism for an attempted beheading for example.

Then the genders are relevant- men in Birmingham being stabbed in the neck generally wouldn’t get attrition in the press. Women in Birmingham would get more attention if it’s not domestic violence, in this case the attack has been described as unprovoked which could mean anything. But has the connotation of a random attack, which firmly pins it in the public interest to report, even if Birmingham has a high rate of stabbings

You “know” this how, exactly? Are you a statistician?

The whole Starmer rhetoric is offensive. However, it is pretty bleak. Stabbings and the lack of law enforcement and the NHS are all problems. I blame lots of factors, going back to Blair and his guy abandon with debt, the relentless subsequent cuts and mainly with the NHS, the dishonesty around just admitting it is no longer a viable option. Personally I dont see why everyone should get everything for free anyway. I dont think Starter is better or worse than any of them. The snob in me cant help thinking that with his intelligence, education and background, he just cant be as stupid as people seem to think. But something has to happen. Depoliticacising education in the middle east has had a massive, massive impact on the general progress of societal development. Blair sending everyone to fake universities, not so much.

Where is the reference to immigrants in this article?

What a very, very strange post.

You mean the national emergency that newspapers are reporting it more for their (owners) own political agenda.

I don't trust statistics at all, they can be manipulated. I definitely suspect knife crime as in unprovoked random attacks is on the rise but perhaps knife crime by gangs may be down. I would like to see something done since it's too high even if they are saying it's down. We need much tougher laws on carrying knives. Mandatory 10 year sentences and being back stop and search. Life imprisonment for attacks.

I’d rather rely on statistical data than the memory of someone who clearly has an agenda.

Btw, @OneBookTooMany, Guardian isn’t my paper of choice. Far too many spelling mistakes 😁

So, seeing that the numbers have gone diwn and no up, this means we’re TALKING about it more.

Now next step is: who do you think is proceeding from that?

Because the issue isn’t that numbers are going down (facts) but how often theyre talked about (emotions, sense of urgency). Hence your post, and some people’s reaction to it.

Im not saying that it shouldn’t be tackled.
Im saying, let’s not make it a bigger problem that it actually is. Unless you want to go down Elon M view of Britain being unsafe etc…..

And again, hearing about it doesn’t mean it’s happening more often.
Its making you FEEL it’s happening often and is a problem.

Yes this! As I said in my previous post. Even official statistics need to be treated with caution because the way crimes are categorised, recorded and reported can all have an influence. It's worrying that people are so willing to trust the statistics without applying a little critical thinking.

The media are rather fixated on this atm so will be reporting everything. You can’t tell me that in a city the size of Birmingham there isn’t some sort of stabbing most days and hasn’t been for years? A journalist can always find a story if they want to.

According to FACTS, or hysterical selective social media posts and political agendas? You don’t say why you are choosing to ignore everyone above who has pointed out that knife crime has in fact fallen (if only slightly).

We now have news at our fingertips 24/7 from all areas of the country. Before sensationalist news reporting on social media (which HAS increased recently), knife crime still happened, but you would have been less likely to read about every incident from across the country and more likely only to be aware of those local to you. (With the exception of really major events that make the national news).

Not that the current figures are “ok”, but what do you propose a national state of emergency would achieve? Mass uprisings against police in the streets and fuel to the fire of “chaos reporters”?

If you’re truly concerned about the state of society, how about volunteering at youth and community projects that address the root causes instead of rallying a mob (on mumsnet?? 😂)

Ok, so not quite every day but more than every other day in 2023 there was a stabbing

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce7r36rrezjo

in 2024 knife crime fell by 6%

although a staggering 3000plus “knife crimes” a year in Birmingham

Birmingham records 3,215 knife crimes yearly, with a VCR of 12.9 per 1,000. Areas like Handsworth (VCR 17.6) and Aston (VCR 16.9) remain persistent trouble spots.
The city's PCR of 26.8 includes growing knife-enabled burglaries. Police note increasing incidents near transport hubs during rush hours.

but this is not new

I don’t disagree that all facts require critical
thinking, but IMO there are far more people failing to apply critical thinking to poorly written sensationalised “news” and posts on social media (often written for the purpose of clickbait and following agendas of disruption and disinformation and not objective reporting with fully researched content).

Absolutely

it’s shocking the police responses now (in London) and how stretched they are along with prisons/probation and other services who are working alongside them

I have no agenda to support right wing parties but I do want honesty and I woudl be extremely surprised if you asked 100 people working in these areas would support the positive slant on crime statistics

Why do you think the press are suddenly reporting stabbing? Why don’t you think about who is manipulating you?