To think a National Emergency should be called by Starmer?

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https://news.sky.com/story/woman-critically-injured-after-being-stabbed-in-neck-in-unprovoked-attack-13466219

Another Stabbing, its daily now.

Country's been allowed to get out of hand.
Should Starmer address it?

Stabbings have been daily in London for many years now. Many not reported but its a fact. It's just horrendous.

Maybe try closing the daily mail tab and getting some fresh air

Gosh no. He’ll be making unsuccessful attempts to microchip the entire population. He is the emergency.

That's just silly.

Crime rates, especially violent crime, have fallen. That’s certain, and evidenced.

The emergency faces us in future, with the awful risk of the extreme right getting into power. Let that not happen.

I remember during Covid how any government statistic that at first sight might have apparently showed that vaccines didn't work or were killing people en masse, or that Covid was less of a problem than previously thought, was hugely bigged up by the anti-lockdown agitators - "Look, the government admits it, it's right here, wake up sheeple!".

And then someone would patiently explain the fallacy that they had fallen into (e.g., yes, more people who died from Covid after vaccines came out were vaccinated than not, just as more people who die in car crashes are wearing seat belts than not, because of base rates), and they would either harrumph, or ignore you, or double down - it didn't really matter, they declared that they had either won, or "could of" won, anyway.

Meanwhile, any government statistic that showed that Covid was actually a big problem was dismissed as entirely fabricated, just more lies and machinations by Bill Gates/the WEF/George Soros as part of the New World Order. Heads I win, tails you lose. There is no point in arguing with these people because they are not interested in facts. Everything is part of the conspiracy, even us having this discussion here ("The 77th Brigade are on form today, I see, hur hur hur").

Either these people are extremely hard of thinking, or they are bots designed to wear rational argument down by just repeating bollocks until sane people give up.

Let's worry about what we're facing right now and focus on getting rid of Labour.

And you've explained it yourself. We have far more information sources, immediately at our fingertips than even 5 years ago.

There is generally an inverse correlation between the risk of something happening and the likelihood it makes the national news. When things are in the news it normally a sign that they are rare. E.g. people die in car crashes everyday, they would barely make the local news in passing. If someone was to die in a freak accident in a hot air balloon hitting Nelsons Column. It would be national news. Its human nature but does create incorrect views of risk for people.

I’m not being goady op but can you link your statistics for this please

OP are you just deliberately ignoring people telling you the literal statistics that knife crime is down?

Stabbings and other violent crimes happen every day. They always have done. What's happening now is that they are receiving much greater publicity - quite often from media sources with a political agenda.

See also: prisoners released by mistake.

I doubt many even report crimes now as nothing will be done, especially if its a gang related incident so i dont believe the stats...a lot of towns and cities in the uk really need curfews or some sort of martial law, its awful compared to civilised countries such as poland, lithuania, latvia...you dont see any of this sort of behaviour.

I'd like to know when, seeing as my uncle was stabbed in school in 1953.

What would this achieve?

I don't know what agenda you think I have and I'd far rather rely on statistics too, I'm a very data rational person.

But in between that post and now I've both had a lovely snooze and researched victim statistics and although I've found anecdotal references to an increase in stranger- victim stabbings, the hard data isn't collected when it should be and isn't available that I or an AI search can find.

And you know this how?
But we will start with your town and impose a curfew tonight. Are you ok with that? Are you saying the UK is uncivilised compared to those former Eastern Bloc countries and what do you base this comparison on?

Yes, yes, good luck with all this.

I haven’t RTFT, in fact still on page 1. I totally agree with you. Not sure how we solve the problem though.

We have enough issues with VAWG in general without accepting hundreds of thousands of undocumented young males from countries who think women are second class citizens.

Not to mention m t m violence with knives.

Or even just senseless knife violence like we saw on the Cambridge train.

What can we do. Baby steps. Stop undocumented migrants being allowed into the country, ban the sale of knives over a certain size? Provide youth clubs again so young people have something to do, release all low level crime women from prison to make room for the raping and or stabbing men? What else?

I don’t think a National Emergency will be called OP.
We are used to hearing about knife deaths but it used to be more related to gang and drug violence.
Most people think it goes with the territory so you know.
It does appear that there has been a spate of totally innocent people randomly being stabbed and or killed by knife.
The three last year around I think Birmingham, the man in the bank, the dog walker, the people on the train, and now this lass in Birmingham.
I think that is what is causing alarm.
Not government figures claiming knife crime is going down.
Just ordinary people going about their life being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

How ridiculous.

Well yes I agree with you there. Critical thinking goes both ways.

Yes, because social media amplifies news like that. Hearing about it more doesn't mean it's happening more though.

All very true, but not useful to the same names who keep popping up to say everything is fine.

And this is in part, how Trump got in. Because the Democrats kept telling the public that the economy was strong and inflation was falling. They weren’t lying but they also weren’t telling the whole truth. Yes, inflation had fallen- but from record highs and prices never recovered. So when people were going to the tills, they were still being hit hard. All the while, democrats were pretending people weren’t hurting. Lessons learned by the new NYC mayor, and the economy is a big reason why he was voted in.

It doesn’t matter what just what the facts say, it’s also how people feel. If you dismiss how people feel and repeatedly tell them they are wrong and there’s no knife crisis, then they will switch off. They are then far more likely to listen to people with extreme views, who are willing to listen to them.