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Darlington nurse case flying under the radar

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hardstareglare · 07/11/2025 16:24

Aibu to think that the Darlington nurse case in court right now has not had much press and that it is a very important case.

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Mama2many73 · 08/11/2025 14:14

heathspeedwell · 07/11/2025 17:14

The transwoman, who calls himself Rose, admitted in court that he wore boxers with holes in. It's very hard to believe he has gender dysphoria when he didn't mind exposing his genitals to his female colleagues.

Didn't he also ask a pregnant nurse about the size of her breasts?

This kind of harassment of women is happening in hospitals all over the UK. It should be front page news that nurses are still having to put up with sharing changing rooms with any man who claims to be a woman.

Also claiming in local pages that he is/was also trying to get his biologically female wife pregnant.

Talkinpeace · 08/11/2025 14:19

hardstareglare · 08/11/2025 14:10

Thank you to all the posters I have learned so much from this thread.

Is there any support or funding for the nurses?

I believe the Christian Legal Centre are paying the bills.

Their much better than expected Barrister did a really good job.

Now we wait.

nauticant · 08/11/2025 14:51

hardstareglare · 08/11/2025 14:10

Thank you to all the posters I have learned so much from this thread.

Is there any support or funding for the nurses?

Search for Support the Darlington Nurses. They're getting low on funds. Employment Tribunals are expensive and ones that last over 3 weeks are cripplingly so.

NumberTheory · 08/11/2025 14:51

hardstareglare · 08/11/2025 14:10

Thank you to all the posters I have learned so much from this thread.

Is there any support or funding for the nurses?

There is also a fundraiser for the case being run by Christian Concern. Google: crowdjustice Darlington Nurses

SaveMeFromHumanity · 08/11/2025 14:55

Mama2many73 · 08/11/2025 14:14

Also claiming in local pages that he is/was also trying to get his biologically female wife pregnant.

Yep. Impregnating your wife through good ol' piv sex. The most womanly of all womanly acts! 👍

nauticant · 08/11/2025 14:58

Talkinpeace · 08/11/2025 14:19

I believe the Christian Legal Centre are paying the bills.

Their much better than expected Barrister did a really good job.

Now we wait.

That's not correct, they're supporting in part but not completely:

The nurses have already received significant financial and legal support for free. But there are big legal bills still to pay to cover their ongoing employment tribunal case. And they need to be defended against the complaints made to the Nursing and Midwifery Council. And – win or lose - if the case goes further up the courts, these courageous nurses will need your support to make sure they get the world-class support they deserve and need.

SidewaysOtter · 08/11/2025 15:11

IIRC from dipping in and out of observing the Darlington Nurses case over the last week or so, the nurses were expected to nominate a spokeswoman so that the hospital only had to deal with one complainant, not 26.

But they were also ordered not to discuss the issue amongst themselves. What an effective way for the trust to knee-cap their complaint Hmm

Boiledbeetle · 08/11/2025 17:15

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Darlington nurse case flying under the radar
NebulousSadTimes · 08/11/2025 17:49

In the Fife case the senior staff in charge of the ED /A&E (a male doctor if I remember correctly) wanted the female member of staff arrested by the police (as in handcuffed in work, charged with a crime, tax funded trial, prison term, loose professional registration, loose current job, loose the ability to get new job) for objecting to the male doctor watching her undress in the female changing room.

When you think you've heard it all, something else comes out of the woodwork. I wasn't aware of the arsehole wanting Sandie handcuffed at work and the rest. That has out cunted all the rest of the utter cuntery that this whole fucking thing is.

🤔Should out cunted be all one word?

MelOfTheRoses · 08/11/2025 18:04

https://thetimes.com/article/e67bb3c9-45b4-472c-b989-1ebfd8f76eea?shareToken=33ef4b78843c5317ef4c9c4fa9f76952

This was a great piece explaining why the BBC were overlooking major news stories like the Darlington Nurses.

https://archive.ph/aFWev

MrsOvertonsWindow · 08/11/2025 18:21

What I can't understand is why the NHS has become a haven for men demanding access to undressed women and girls? A haven for those pushing for children to be transitioned despite the dangerous medication and experimental brutal surgery.

How did the NHS lose their way over this to the extent that they openly celebrate the rights of men demanding access to undressing women staff? Is it the sign of a bloated organisation employing too many people who aren't patient facing but have the time to indulge in niche luxury beliefs? The Darlington & Fife tribunals suggest this might be the case?

NebulousSadTimes · 08/11/2025 18:34

Is it the sign of a bloated organisation employing too many people who aren't patient facing but have the time to indulge in niche luxury beliefs?

Years ago there was a businessman, Jerry someone I think, who did sort your business out type programmes on the TV. He did one on the NHS and said what they needed was more managers. I couldn't believe that was the conclusion he came to. It was already plummeting, under (patient facing) staffed and overly managed, in my experience, but he somehow thought that more managers would fix it. Things have only got worse so yes, I think you have made a very relevant point @MrsOvertonsWindow .

SidewaysOtter · 08/11/2025 18:45

NebulousSadTimes · 08/11/2025 17:49

In the Fife case the senior staff in charge of the ED /A&E (a male doctor if I remember correctly) wanted the female member of staff arrested by the police (as in handcuffed in work, charged with a crime, tax funded trial, prison term, loose professional registration, loose current job, loose the ability to get new job) for objecting to the male doctor watching her undress in the female changing room.

When you think you've heard it all, something else comes out of the woodwork. I wasn't aware of the arsehole wanting Sandie handcuffed at work and the rest. That has out cunted all the rest of the utter cuntery that this whole fucking thing is.

🤔Should out cunted be all one word?

I think it should be hyphenated? Out-cunted?

As for someone wanting a woman arrested - WTF? Who was this who wanted this and on what grounds did they want her (I presume this was SP) arrested?!

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 08/11/2025 18:48

To punish heresy and pour encourager les autres basically.

Fear and intimidation of the non enabling women is how this horrible belief system survives.

SidewaysOtter · 08/11/2025 18:49

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 08/11/2025 18:48

To punish heresy and pour encourager les autres basically.

Fear and intimidation of the non enabling women is how this horrible belief system survives.

But what were they actually going to blame her for - what crime?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 08/11/2025 18:50

SidewaysOtter · 08/11/2025 18:49

But what were they actually going to blame her for - what crime?

Failing to be compliant?
Failing to undress when Dr U required her to?
Failing to be passive, weak and obeying the demands of a man?

SidewaysOtter · 08/11/2025 18:55

MrsOvertonsWindow · 08/11/2025 18:50

Failing to be compliant?
Failing to undress when Dr U required her to?
Failing to be passive, weak and obeying the demands of a man?

But you couldn’t call the police and report those things! I mean, I know they’ll turn up for a bent brolly, but I’d like to think that even Police Scotland wouldn’t arrest someone for “failing to undress in front of a man”…

CohensDiamondTeeth · 08/11/2025 18:57

MrsOvertonsWindow · 08/11/2025 18:50

Failing to be compliant?
Failing to undress when Dr U required her to?
Failing to be passive, weak and obeying the demands of a man?

AKA "Transphobic hate crimes" 🙄

MrsOvertonsWindow · 08/11/2025 19:01

SidewaysOtter · 08/11/2025 18:55

But you couldn’t call the police and report those things! I mean, I know they’ll turn up for a bent brolly, but I’d like to think that even Police Scotland wouldn’t arrest someone for “failing to undress in front of a man”…

The Darlington tribunal suggests otherwise? All those HR / DEI staff horrified that the nurses aren't compliant and are complaining about being required to undress in front of a man.
As of course do all the predatory men who rock up on here lecturing women about our sins of expecting privacy and safety from creepy men.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 08/11/2025 19:27

It's worth looking up the cases of all the women who have been dragged through court. Basically for heresy.

The current cases, now faced with the established case in law that people are allowed to hold gender critical beliefs and cannot be treated prejudicially for it, are resorting to what's called the Banarama defence - it ain't what you say/do/show on your face, it's the way that you do it. ie that you have expressed a legal view in an offensive and harmful way. This is taking up days - weeks - of court time and taxpayer money.

But it is all just heresy. Hate crime, transphobia, whatever, it all boils down to resistance and heresy.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 08/11/2025 19:31

You might be interested in the thread on FWR where a woman is currently being harassed by the police, who are looking into charging her, for touching a man's umbrella when he, as an activist, pushed it into her face and attempted to provoke her into defending herself. She is a Bad Person in his opinion because she was in a public place speaking for women's rights, and he wants to see her done for assault. It won't happen, because the court case would be yet another clown show that make the police and CPS look ridiculous, but the process and anxiety and stress it causes her until they grudgingly admit there is no case will punish her nicely for him.

That particular police service have rejected actually evidenced crimes against women but are all over the chance to harass a woman who dares to say that women need sex based rights that don't include men.

Talkinpeace · 08/11/2025 20:10

Susan Smith has received an apology from Police Scotland

WallaceinAnderland · 08/11/2025 20:26

The Trust in the Darlington Nurses case has now changed its policy allowing males to use the female changing room because the policy was unlawful. They have offered no defence in the tribunal.

Individual managers have tried to avoid personal blame but as representatives of the Trust (which is what they are in the tribunal) they have offered no defence of the Trust's unlawful policy.

In the court, on oath, the Human Resources managers said they had no knowledge of Health and Safety law and the Health and Safety managers said they had no knowledge of Human Resources law.

All tax payers are paying for this incompetence, both in the managers' wages and in the court fees. This amount can be applied across every single trust in the country. Until all trusts fall in line with the law, the court cases will keep on coming, the managers will keep their £80k plus jobs and the tax payer will keep footing the bill.

nauticant · 08/11/2025 20:49

That's a good summary but make no mistake, in many of the people driving this, it isn't incompetence, it's malice.