Darlington nurse case flying under the radar

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Aibu to think that the Darlington nurse case in court right now has not had much press and that it is a very important case.

How has the NHS got to this situation though?

Yes.

The problem was that because the DM was the only newspaper covering it, a lot of posters on MN (for example) chose to disregard it because you can't believe anything you read in the DM.

Well exactly. The NHS legal department is adept at diverting away issues when it comes to people suing them, so you would imagine they'd understand the High Court ruling.

Maybe they have done what the BBC did and now have an uncharacteristically high % of trans staff? There's clearly some investment there.

DEI unfortunately.

Along with the utter nonsense that also included repainting the zebra crossings in rainbow colours outside the entrances to some hospitals whilst completely disregarding that the high contrast between black and white makes them clearly visible to both drivers and visually impaired people and keeps everyone safer.

But let's not worry about trivial matters like life and death when we can virtue signal to men who want to call themselves women for whatever reason.

In the Fife case the senior staff in charge of the ED /A&E (a male doctor if I remember correctly) wanted the female member of staff arrested by the police (as in handcuffed in work, charged with a crime, tax funded trial, prison term, loose professional registration, loose current job, loose the ability to get new job) for objecting to the male doctor watching her undress in the female changing room.

She will have had a contractual obligation to change into a uniform / hospital only clothing for infection control.

This employee who wanted the police involved was the head of a team who would have been expected to step up if the male doctor who claimed he was a woman tried to provide force medical care to a woman who asked for female only care.

All of the NHS trusts had the same issue with informed consent.

None of the Trusts were brave enough to finish out the written process of how an male employee must acts to prevent themselves from knowingly and directly assaulting the woman in the hospital bed if the woman asked for same sex care.

This is awful.

Thankyou for the explanation. This was lost on me and now makes sense (in an alternative HR trans addled universe).

Actually I find the whole thing quite sinister.

How does the NHS define a trans woman then?

I’m a nurse and the RCN is my union. If it is true that they let down these nurses like this, I am going to cancel my membership and move to Unison. Unless they are just as bad. Does anyone have any views on if Unison would be any better?

Unison are full on transwomen are women. But the Darlington nurses have set up their own union. You can find them on Twitter.

They use Stonewall's definition.

Any man who says he is at any point in time, for any duration and for any reason - Acceptance Without Exception.

Eg should your husband/male partner (if you have one) declare himself a woman in the next 5 mins, he is one. No different to you or me or any other woman.

And he wouldn't even be expected to shave, apply make up or put on a dress. If we don't expect women to subscribe to 'performative femininity', then we can't expect it of men either. Just declaring you are is enough.

There was a high profile case a few years ago when a woman had asked for a female HCP to perform a mammogram.

When a burly bloke with hairy arms and a five o'clock shadow turned up in a dress, she apologised and said she'd asked for a woman. He gruffly replied, "I am a woman." She disagreed, the hospital sided with him and she didn't have her mammogram.

They did later apologise for that.

Do you have a link...or info I can google?
This is awful

https://www.brightonandhovenews.org/2019/12/09/hospital-apologises-to-rape-victim-for-branding-her-request-for-same-sex-breast-screening-medic-as-transphobic/

This is the only one I could find in a quick search but it was widely discussed on FWR at the time.

Basically, you have the right to request treatment from a same sex HCP. This patient had requested it on the basis she had been raped. But the law is that, whilst it can be requested, the hospital can deny it if staffing doesn't allow it.

The issue wasn't so much that they didn't have a female HCP to perform the procedure, the issue was that they said she could have a female HCP but then sent a man because he said he was a woman.

They then denied her treatment on the basis that her request was transphobic.

There was also the case of the woman who had been raped whilst an inpatient.

The hospital gaslighted her for over a year telling her that she couldn't have been raped because, as a female only ward, there were only women on it.

Just denied outright that she could have been raped.

They finally admitted that one of the women was actually male.

Over a year.

https://www.medicalbrief.co.za/uk-hospital-tells-police-patient-could-not-have-been-raped-since-attacker-was-transgender/

Sorry, almost a year. Not over a year.

I didn't find a UK source that wasn't behind a pay wall but it was reported in The Times and The Telegraph too.

You might also want to look up Jessica Yaniv if you're not familiar with his particular predilections...

Danielle Muscato and his "suck my ladydick" comments.

Alex Drummond and his "expanding the bandwidth of how to be a woman."

Travis Albanza who, despite 'only' declaring himself non binary and using the pronouns they/them (rather than a full on woman) was Very Upset at not being allowed in the female changing rooms at Top Shop, when the male changing rooms would have serviced his non binary needs equally well.

And so on and so on and so on.

You know it's obviously relevant that the breast screening patient was a rape survivor but it shouldn't matter because woman should have bodily autonomy. It's awful that she felt compelled to disclose that information too.

Agreed.

Stonewall. EDI training - very expensive, provided by Stonewall and other government funded advisors and dubious charities.

And based upon the stonewall deliberate misinterpretation of the actual law.

Keep in mind with this case the sheer number of sexual harassment cases there are in the NHS full stop. And the way women in the NHS are treated and the way the men (especially those actually found guilty in court) are treated.

It is institutionally sexist.

Here's a BBC article from yesterday outlining how they had to bring in an academic expert (Jo Phoenix) to explain the no-shit-Sherlock finding that women are likely to feel more distressed than men about having to change in front of someone of the opposite sex.

It was also suggested that Jo may not be considered independent because she is gender-critical - i.e. believes that people cannot change sex, that sex and gender identity are different, and that in some situations sex matters more. In other words a common-sense belief likely held by much of the population.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgk8gjkn3xo.amp

Thank you to all the posters I have learned so much from this thread.

Is there any support or funding for the nurses?