XL Bully again

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Another poor child, a 9 month old baby, killed by an XL bully.

Should they be muzzled indoors around children and babies?

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/police-reveal-breed-dog-killed-32819908.amp?int_source=taboola&int_medium=display&int_campaign=organic

They all say they’re gentle and lovely and wouldn’t hurt a fly. Until they do. Wilfully ignorant is correct.

If you’re going to own a powerful breed at least accept that it is capable of serious damage and take sensible precautions.

Very sad.

It really is nearly always a XL bully in these situations. These dogs are bred to fight, even with careful handling they are a bit like a wild animal!

I agree that a dog owner should be able to physically control their dogs weight and power. But that's a very different thing to saying "beat it in a fight." No-one should be fighting or even play fighting with their dog as it teaches them to be aggressive.

Exactly. All this don’t leave them alone stuff, it makes no odds.

If they go for someone that’s it.

I don’t think that’s what the poster was implying. I think they meant what you said…physically being able to control and overpower the dog if needed.

Most Chihuahua owners I've met couldn't beat their dog in a fight judging by the lack of control they have over it.

You'd also exclude most spaniels, retrievers and working dogs from that. Or are you about to tell me the Flat Coat Retriever is a vicious beast?

This is about the size of it. These attacks are very often on council estates.

Exactly. I'm a fit man and wouldn't have anything beyond a labrador, and those could still be dangerous.

I grew up in the countryside, no, I wouldn't have a pet that could kill me 🤷‍♀️ I am not talking about injury, a hamster can cause injury, could it kill me? No!
I have dealt with huge animals (bulls etc) and they are not pets. Petsare small fluffy things you can relax around without fear they are about to rip your infant to shreds.

They just need to be outlawed completely and all remaining dogs destroyed. I love dogs but this is the equivalent of owning a tiger vs a normal house cat.

You are right. It is not very politically correct to say but these dogs appeal to the underclass. These people have a huge mistrust and/or dislike of any type of authority and often lack critical thinking. They are surrounded by people with the same views and this compounds the situation. There is also a huge sense of wanting to defend something you love that is being attacked in these communities. You see it with children at school. It is always the fault of the school for bad behaviour. Everything is seen as an attack that must be defended.

The sad thing is you can't reason with these people. It might seem obvious to posters on here not to have these dogs but the vast majority of posters on here are well educated and trust authority and can make rational decisions.

I have said before that I believe the only way to appeal to these owners is though money in exchange for the euthanisation of these dogs. It will be more socially palatable if you have had your dog put down in order to take your kids on holiday rather than because you have been told it is a danger.

For goodness sake, a British bulldog isn't remotely the same as an XL Bully.

I grew up with Bulldogs and Boxers, as did my mother before me. We have always been around these wonderful breeds. Give me a docile Bulldog over a sprightly spaniel any day!

I do strongly believe that the dog breed in question should be eradicated and a mass cull should take place. The thought of encountering one just walking down the street, or even worse my dc coming into contact with one, terrifies me.

I cannot believe, as a country, we have come to this. The semi-literate, socially maladjusted thickos reigning over us with these bastard things. I wonder how many people feel constantly in fear and terrorised having to live near one.

What are you on about? Why are you derailing the conversation?

Given that I've spent almost 50 years around giants, I have very different criteria. The day that I ever feel physically beating them in a fight needs to be taken into consideration, will be the day I decide to no longer live with a dog in my life.

It's not de-railing. That poster made a stupid comment and got a reasonable answer.

Perhaps you should quote the posters making completely ridiculous comments about banning all dogs that owners can't 'fight' (you know - the completely hysterical nitwits on this thread).

Good for you.
It’s very clear that the poster meant it’s important that you are strong enough to control a powerful breed and overpower it if necessary. Not that they are sparring with it for fun.
But you interpret it how you will.

I knew what she meant. Control is not the same as overpower. You are deluded if you imagine that most people can easily overpower any dog much bigger than a Cavapoo if it was seriously on the attack.

The killer kimbo story is unsubstantiated. Bullywatch have failed to produce evidence time and again when questioned. If you’re reading it elsewhere it’s a rehash of the original (unsubstantiated) bullywatch claim.

Yet another set of parents who put their trust in a dog over the safety of their child.
Any dog bred to kill is able to do so. All the dogs I've had have had strong traits connected to their original breeding purpose (Labradors retrieving things, lap dogs being on laps).

Look at the number of dog attacks

"It has been a criminal offence to own an XL Bully without an exception certificate since 1 February 2024, but the number of dog attacks actually increased in 2024 compared to a year earlier.

There were 31,920 dog attacks on people recorded in England Wales in 2024 – a 2% increase on 2023 – according to Freedom of Information figures obtained from police forces.

However, the figures may not show the full picture, as three police forces did not provide useable data."

Real Dog: Kimbo, whose registered name was "UKC's Most Wanted Kimbo," was a real American XL Bully bred by Gustavo Castro in Los Angeles.

Aggressive Inbreeding: He was the product of a brother-sister pairing and his grandparents shared the same father. This extreme inbreeding (a coefficient of inbreeding over 31%) was allegedly deliberate to achieve a specific large, muscular physique, but it also increased the risk of genetic and behavioral problems, including sudden aggression.

Links from his decended dogs....
Link to Attacks: Dogs descended from Kimbo have been linked to over ten documented attacks worldwide, some of which were fatal.
One of his direct descendants, named Niko, killed four-year-old Mia Derouen in Louisiana in 2014.
Another descendant was involved in the death of 65-year-old Keven Jones in Wales.
An 82-year-old woman in Oklahoma was also killed by a dog believed to be from his line.
Widespread Influence: Due to his popularity as a stud, a significant proportion of American XL Bullies, particularly in the UK, can trace their lineage back to Kimbo. A 2023 analysis by the campaign group BullyWatch found that 32 out of a sample of 50 UK stud dogs advertised online were related to him.
Notorious Reputation: Within certain breeding circles, Kimbo is known as "Killer Kimbo" due to the documented "rage" issues in his offspring that breeders have described as "not normal".

Even if the Killer Kimbo thing is a complete fantasy, you can't argue about the number of fatal attacks by XLs. Given the fact there aren't that many of them (thankfully) they make up a disproportionate number.

Half of XL bully dogs in Britain are descendants of one “killer” inbred pet from the United States that has produced generations of violent animals, it can be revealed.

Extensive genealogy research seen by The Telegraph shows how decades of inbreeding has created a narrow gene pool of unstable fighting dogs that have become responsible for 70 per cent of dog attack deaths in Britain.

Its not a fantasy, its owner confirmed that descendants of his dog had killed people. People that have been named. Some random YouTuber claimed it was made up. It wasn't.

The house looks like it's on a council estate where there are undoubtedly many children living and playing.

If people must insist on owning these killing machines then why can't they go and do it out in the sticks somewhere where innocent victims can't be killed too.