XL Bully again

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Another poor child, a 9 month old baby, killed by an XL bully.

Should they be muzzled indoors around children and babies?

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/police-reveal-breed-dog-killed-32819908.amp?int_source=taboola&int_medium=display&int_campaign=organic

You wouldn't leave a loaded gun with a baby.

Unlike a lot of runners I don't have problems with dogs touch wood.

Very sad but why would you have a dog like that. I'm sure they are really nice dogs but just too much potential for things to go wrong, You cannot rely on owners just the same as regular people are not allowed guns

I used to have a medium sized dog,. It was on a lead and a similar sized dog attacked it. Made the mistake of trying to separate them, Felt a bite on my arm looked down and it was my dog with a shocked expression and let go straight away. Went to A&E got a jab and off home. Accidents happen. If either of those dogs including mine had been on on the banned list it could have been 10 x worse.

It would be just like current laws that ban people from keeping dangerous animals like lions and tigers and bears, only it would be extended to cover dogs. So it would really be quite simple.

She's actually not being flippant. She has a very severe dog phobia. She crops up on every anti-dog thread.

There are various companies who sell vitamins to "pet parents".

Agree. Pushchairs and baby slings for dogs????

It's just been updated that arrests have been made. Presumably the dog owners.
Such a sad situation.

Don’t know unless parents visiting that house with the baby and the dog lived there.

Which is not relevant to the thread. Bully XL's are not the dogs that are being pushed in prams or carried in slings. The dogs that kill are not, on the whole, the ones being gently reared.

I will correct your assumptions by pointing out that prams are largely used for dogs that either have a disability or are too elderly to walk far. It does not equate to them being treated like a baby.
Slings are generally used by people with young puppies to enable socialisation and acclimatise them to everyday life before they are fully vaccinated.

Anyone who has children in the same house as that kind of dog is an idiot. Terrible that yet another child has had to pay the price for the stupidity of adults.

I don't disagree. (and we're possibly saying similar things) I think there are 2 issues. XLs - probably need a complete ban as they are so far beyond the pale in terms of size and temperament - and other dogs - including some specific breeds or sizes of dogs that get pulled into the whole 'ban them' debate.

My point was more, if you only ban XLs then the people who want an aggressive attack dog (or a status symbol) will move onto other breeds, as they have before. Probably not staffy types as if they beef them up they would probably end up being typed as pit bulls or XLs anyway, but maybe back to rotties, GSDs and dobermans, or moving on to cane corsos or presa canarios. Then you can keep banning more and more breeds, but the law is never IMO addressing the problem of bad/reckless/downright criminal owners.

As I said I'd like more licensing, more compulsion to train etc. I'd probably also look at adopting some of the laws seen in other countries around leads and muzzles - particularly on public transport, confined spaces etc. There are clearly more dogs, and often in much more populated areas, so I think that we have to look at all the regulations around them. That doesn't mean that we don't also do something specifically about XLs as they are clearly a special case.

My point was that they are more likely to be cooped up at home, not being properly exercised because of the stigma of walking a muzzled dog. So some of these owners will now have a much more frustrated dog. I agree, there is no place for them now.

Dog owners have licenses here in Ireland too. Sadly that doesn’t mean wee don’t have fatalities and severe injuries caused by these monster dogs.

A completely preventable situation!

Absolutely. I completely agree.

Literally just imagine a government proposing this (it falls at the first hurdle because they never would). What do you think would happen? Do you think the process of passing such legislation would be easy or even possible? What about the process of the state rounding up all the country's dogs and presumably euthanising the majority of them? Do you think that would be easy? Do you think it would go down well?

What about the thousands of working dogs in the UK? Guide dogs, police dogs, drug sniffer dogs, dogs for the disabled, sheepdogs? Do they get an exemption? If not, how will the government justify taking away these essential aids that serve a vital purpose for many? If so, how are dogs bred to fill these roles? If the puppies fail the training are they just killed?

Sometimes we need to live in the real world, don't we, not a fantasy world.

The difference is in Germany the licence, which I don't think is mandatory for all breeds in all regions, isn't just about paying a small amount of money. There's a whole lot of testing that goes along with it. You have to both be able to control you dog and understand how to look after dogs.

That being said, I think Ireland generally has a better record on dog attacks than the UK.

I remember seeing the CCTV / phone footage of that man being chased and taken down by an XL in a Birmingham petrol station a couple of years ago. Other men were trying to get it off him and beat the dog with a stick. You don't have a hope in hells chance if that's a child, or even an adult in a living room.

I've just read a comment on SM made by a male XL Bully owner in reply to a poster who correctly stated that XLBs are direct descendants of a pit bull fight survivor appropriately named Killer Kimbo. It is estimated that over half of England's XLB are descended from this one inbred, highly dangerous and hideous-looking animal. The XLB owner states that the XLB wasn't bred for fighting, they were bred as a "companion animal." No doubt he believes Labradors were bred to herd sheep and whippets were bred as guard dogs. He then goes on to say how he trusts his XLB with his kids, it's gentle, blah blah.
And therein lies the problem: wilfully ignorant and as thick as mince. And in the midst of all of this are his children....

I said on a previous thread about a child being killed by one of these monsters that I thought parents who keep these dogs in the same house as their kids should be charged with child neglect. And I haven’t changed my mind!

The family should have been thinking of the baby that they willfully put in the position to be mauled by an XL bully.....its not like they could have missed the news reports on these monster dogs!
I have two dogs myself and generally I love dogs but my rule is if I can't beat it in a fight, it isn't a bloody pet! It's a liability.

WTF? If you can't beat it in a fight...??? Jesus. What a great criteria for advocating responsible dog ownership...🙄

I agree. There's not a breed of dog previously that has killed as many of its owners as the XLB. They are not only potentially highly dangerous to strangers, they are also potentially highly dangerous to their owners too. And people choose to live with them?!

I am local and this is correct.

Quite why anyone would take a baby into a house with such a breed of dog beggars belief. I wouldn’t feel comfortable as an adult in close proximity to one.

2 adults have been arrested and released on bail

The German system sounds very sensible and worthy of consideration in the UK.

I actually think it’s quite good criteria. If a dog is physically stronger than you and it turns then you’re likely to end up maimed or dead. A bit like owning a pet lion.