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Ihatetomatoes · 07/11/2025 06:10

It has now been confirmed that the dog involved in the fatal attack was an XL bully, which was registered with the Department for Environment, Food & Rural Affairs (DEFRA). A certificate of exemption was issued in 2024, meaning the dog was legally owned and exempt from the existing XL bully ban.

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PermanentTemporary · 07/11/2025 06:31

Hideous. I don’t get the dog obsession in this country at the best of times but the idea of keeping one of these in the same house as a child is insane.

I have to visit people’s homes as part of my job and we quite often have to go into homes with stupid numbers of dogs, aggressive dogs and even on occasion XL bullies. We have policies to protect us, unlike that poor baby.

Terrytheweasel · 07/11/2025 06:34

They shouldn’t even exist in my opinion. I would have them all humanely put to sleep and I would make sure all owners of dogs have a licence like they do in Germany.

AlexaBeQuiet · 07/11/2025 06:36

I don’t understand why anyone would want to house a dog that has the potential to harm or kill. I just don’t get the obsession with dogs in general, but to have a breed renowned for aggression is beyond me. Can anyone explain why people have XL Bully breeds?
I’d hate to be in a role where you have to visit strangers in their own homes not knowing what danger you could be putting yourself in.

Woodlend · 07/11/2025 06:39

There should be a short list of dog breeds it’s legal to own in this country. And none of them should be bull breeds.

Rowgtfc72 · 07/11/2025 06:42

Honestly it could be any dog. Its an animal. You never, ever leave a dog alone with a young child.
They are not furbabies.
Thinking of the family of the baby.

Ihatetomatoes · 07/11/2025 06:44

AlexaBeQuiet · 07/11/2025 06:36

I don’t understand why anyone would want to house a dog that has the potential to harm or kill. I just don’t get the obsession with dogs in general, but to have a breed renowned for aggression is beyond me. Can anyone explain why people have XL Bully breeds?
I’d hate to be in a role where you have to visit strangers in their own homes not knowing what danger you could be putting yourself in.

I agree.

I have dogs but I wouldn't have a bully type.

The dog was registered but registration doesn't take away the danger and so a poor 9 month old baby has died.

Maybe others who have similar dogs in homes with children might think about hiw this could happen to them.

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SharpBrickMaker · 07/11/2025 06:47

Rowgtfc72 · 07/11/2025 06:42

Honestly it could be any dog. Its an animal. You never, ever leave a dog alone with a young child.
They are not furbabies.
Thinking of the family of the baby.

We are seeing a increase in general bad behaviour with dogs ( using a general term there) Caused by bad owners. One of the reasons is the people are treating there dogs as children and thinking they feel human emotions. So not treating them as dogs. My sister is a vet nurse and we were discussing this regarding people seeking advice at her workplace.

Ihatetomatoes · 07/11/2025 06:48

Rowgtfc72 · 07/11/2025 06:42

Honestly it could be any dog. Its an animal. You never, ever leave a dog alone with a young child.
They are not furbabies.
Thinking of the family of the baby.

I really dont believe it could be any dog that kills. I believe anything dog could bite but most wouldn't kill. The stats on Bully breeds are why they were banned, so many attacks.

I imagine the owners thought their Bully wouldn't do this. Its really sad that another child has died in an avoidable death, it shouldn't happen.

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Ihatetomatoes · 07/11/2025 06:49

SharpBrickMaker · 07/11/2025 06:47

We are seeing a increase in general bad behaviour with dogs ( using a general term there) Caused by bad owners. One of the reasons is the people are treating there dogs as children and thinking they feel human emotions. So not treating them as dogs. My sister is a vet nurse and we were discussing this regarding people seeking advice at her workplace.

I agree there are many owners that seem to treat their dogs as children.

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Whaleandsnail6 · 07/11/2025 06:55

Yanbu.

I think there is something genetically wrong with this breed and that they should all be humanely destroyed

Too many stories of this breed suddenly turning and attacking,( this is the only breed I feel this way about)

I know other breeds can and will bite, but in the reports, it feels like its sudden and unpredictable with xl bullies and the usual "don't leave kids alone" etc isn't safegurading enough in xl bully cases.

I don't even think its their fault...I think its the genetics and breeding but I think let alone for the safety of humans, its also kinder for a dog to be put to sleep in a calm and controlled environment, with their owner holding them, than risk them suddenly attacking and being seized and destroyed

I have a dog...she is a big dog and extremely loved. If there was reports of her breed suddenly killing and attacking people like with xl bullies, I would have her put to sleep

I cant believe anyone has one of these dogs and allows other people to visit the home. I think they are a risk waiting to happen

obliviate24 · 07/11/2025 07:07

AlexaBeQuiet · 07/11/2025 06:36

I don’t understand why anyone would want to house a dog that has the potential to harm or kill. I just don’t get the obsession with dogs in general, but to have a breed renowned for aggression is beyond me. Can anyone explain why people have XL Bully breeds?
I’d hate to be in a role where you have to visit strangers in their own homes not knowing what danger you could be putting yourself in.

I have an English bulldog - used to be known as "nanny dogs".

Never left alone around my toddler - but is very good with him. Hes the biggest wimp of a dog, heart of gold and ive been told countless times about how he has changed the people's perspective of bulldogs.

I'll admit I was wary of bulldogs and I cant speak for them all (or their owners) but I do believe a lot of it is how a dog is brought up with their surroundings and also disciplining the dog.

ohwoaw · 07/11/2025 07:10

I think the entire breed needs to be put to sleep, registered or not. Yes any dog can turn but it seems a large proportion of these dogs are extremely aggressive. Something to do with the breeding of them has made them this way and it isn’t right.

squeakybanana · 07/11/2025 07:13

I adore dogs and have always owned them but this breed needs to go.

There is something not right with them, some of it for sure is down to the owners but the sheer amount of attacks indicates to me something else is going on genetically with them.

Why on earth you would want one of these creatures I dont know - they look hideous to me and you cant trust them not to kill you. There are plenty of lovely large breed dogs that are perfectly trainable and not as unpredictable as these things.

ohwoaw · 07/11/2025 07:14

squeakybanana · 07/11/2025 07:13

I adore dogs and have always owned them but this breed needs to go.

There is something not right with them, some of it for sure is down to the owners but the sheer amount of attacks indicates to me something else is going on genetically with them.

Why on earth you would want one of these creatures I dont know - they look hideous to me and you cant trust them not to kill you. There are plenty of lovely large breed dogs that are perfectly trainable and not as unpredictable as these things.

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Chav status symbol

ohwoaw · 07/11/2025 07:15

The owners also tend to be thick and credit the dog with having more control/intelligence and couldn’t think it could possibly happen

squeakybanana · 07/11/2025 07:18

@obliviate24 I love English bulldogs! When I was a child there was a bulldog called Winston who use to sit outside his house every day in our street. If you passed him without rubbing his tummy he would growl at you lol. We all knew he wanted belly rubs and he would lay back like a king getting lots of attention from everyone- he was like a local celebrity. He was so damn lazy- and was happy to just sit there all say long. When he died the entire street was gutted. Lovely boy.

ShesTheAlbatross · 07/11/2025 07:19

Should they be nuzzled indoors around children and babies?

No, they should remove the exemption certificates from owners who have children living with the dog, and remove the dogs (and put them down). There is no coherent argument to be made that the dogs are too dangerous to be unmuzzled in public but are fine to live with children. They can’t be muzzled constantly.

squeakybanana · 07/11/2025 07:19

They should be put down IMO

Hellskitchen24 · 07/11/2025 07:26

They should be wiped out. Genetic messes owned by people with the brain capacity of a flea.

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 07/11/2025 07:27

The world is your oyster when you get a dog, and that’s the dog they chose.
To have around a baby, for fucks sake.

There was a case in America, where the owner of one of these dogs did time in prison, after his XL bully killed a little girl.
I think the charge was involuntary manslaughter.

Those poxy ‘parents’, with their lovely, pitty, who loves kids, and would just lick you to death.
That’s usually the bollocks you hear afterwards.

And also ‘it’s the owner, not the dog’ bullshit.
People will defend these dogs, like they’re a family member.

Every family that experiences that can’t all possibly be bad dog owners, can they??

Why can’t they accept that these dogs are fucking dangerous, and are purely a status symbol?

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 07/11/2025 07:27

Hellskitchen24 · 07/11/2025 07:26

They should be wiped out. Genetic messes owned by people with the brain capacity of a flea.

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rwalker · 07/11/2025 07:30

I’m at a total loss how anyone could contemplate having a dog like that and a child in the same house

ClimbingMountChocolate · 07/11/2025 07:32

I hope the parents are charged with manslaughter. What an awful heartbreaking story.
Nobody in the right mind would own one of these dogs. Around a poor defenceless baby too?! Absolutely awful.

AngelinaFibres · 07/11/2025 07:32

The smaller your penis and brain the bigger your dog.