XL Bully again

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Another poor child, a 9 month old baby, killed by an XL bully.

Should they be muzzled indoors around children and babies?

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/police-reveal-breed-dog-killed-32819908.amp?int_source=taboola&int_medium=display&int_campaign=organic

100%.

The mass hysteria and ignorance in, as with the other thread, using a babies tragic death to further their own agenda is grim.

All the registry will do, is (after, yet, another kid is dead), is say ‘the owners had registered the dog’.

And that will be the end of the sentence. There’s nothing else they can do.

They’ll say.

Like when media announces that the 100th terrorist (that year) was known to security services.

They do fuck all.

Exactly - I am sure the fact the dog was registered will bring huge comfort to those whose relative it killed 🙄

I’m sure that statistic is comforting the family today.

Completely agree. I watched two of these dogs kill a grown man. That poor baby didn't stand a chance. Those parents need charging for having that kind of dog anywhere near a baby. Fucking idiots. Kill the lot of them

Because we opted for an English bulldog. I had a spaniel as a child & know how boisterous he was. My dog is the complete opposite.

You're quite bizarre.

Neither myself or dog terrify young kids. But you do you.

Staffies are lovely, but they're also absolutely incomparable to the absolute fuck-up that is an "XL bully".

They are a genetic aberration and should all be humanely destroyed.

Humans did this. Humans bred them into this misshapen ticking time bomb of weaponised animal, and everyone who has ever bred or bought one should be banned for life from keeping animals (I'll make an exception for those who just "rescued" one with no money changing hands, but they're idiots too tbh).

And I say this as a massive dog lover and dog owner. As I said above, I even love Staffies.

There are staffies trained as assistance dogs. So no they are not all dangerous. Looks are subjective. There are lots of dogs I don’t think are particularly good looking. Those little nippy ratty ones for a start, but everyone’s different.

I think it’s just going to be an opportunity for 5 minutes of dog/breed hate.

We're not talking about bites though. We are talking about dogs killing. Not spaniels, XL bullies.

Obviously a dog biting you or a child is not ideal. And probably down to shit owners and shit training. You are comparing apples and oranges.

Staffies are lovely, but they're also absolutely incomparable to the absolute fuck-up that is an "XL bully".

Does anyone know the actual history of how and when they came about?

https://banthebullyxluk.wordpress.com/2023/08/01/finding-kimbo/

Obviously this site has its own bias (as you can tell from the name) but there's no reason to doubt the facts they state here about the genetic lines of most "XL bullies" in the UK.

Oh absolutely!

I've had plenty of dog owners cross the road/avoid us on walks but my boy just walks on. 90% of the other dogs start barking at mines.

I'm not oblivious to the bad names that they get. However they aren't all the same!

Should they be muzzled indoors around children and babies?

No, they shouldn’t be around children and babies. They should exist in the first place.

Sadly I agree, there is something very wrong with them. Generally I love dogs.

None of them are perfect and there can be bad eggs in all breeds and mutts, but I am very wary of bullies.

Too many have seemingly gone from friendly to crazy without any provocation. It's an intolerable trait in any breed but their size means it is always going to be lethal.

I guess maybe it could have been bred out of them, but unfortunately they tend to be favoured by dodgy breeders who want aggression and a dog that creates fear, so there's no hope for them really.

It is sad that staffs and similar dogs with better natures get tarred with the same brush. Unfortunately there seems to be a lot of owners of bullies describing their dog as a "staffy cross" 🙄

Thanks! This is interesting and also horrifying

Agree.

What a completely self evident statistic.

There's no justification for owning these disgusting types of dog. They're not breeds, they're a newly created huge mistake bred down from pitbulls. These dogs are bred to fight. To lock on and kill. That is is literally what they are bred for. Dog fighting is illegal. No one should be allowed to own one. Full stop.

Yes any dog had the propensity to bite and some to kill but other breeds haven't been purposely bred to be a fighting/killing machine. Bull breeds/types like this have, and this why they often don't stop at a bite. They lose their heads. There's no stopping them once they've started.

Suggesting it's reasonable for anyone to own one is like suggesting it's reasonable for anyone to own a gun. Or a fucking wolf. Euthanise the sodding lot of them. No one with a brain will miss them.

To add. I don't like Staffordshire Bull Terriers at all but they have been abused by arsehole backyard breeders and there is a strong core of decent breeders and owners of well bred SBTs that are as horrified by badly bred, aggressive bull crosses as the rest of us are.

Therefore I think there needs to be strong legislation/licensing restricting ownership of ALL bull (fighting) type breeds including SBTs in order to protect the public from the backyard breeding/crossing of them and also to protect the pedigree SBT breed itself.

We should all be writing to our MPs requesting further review of the legislation.

I'm not voting for YABU or YANBU because I don't think they should be muzzled or registered, they should be wiped out. All euthanised, never to exist again.

And anyone who has an XL Bully that kills someone should face 25 years in prison for murder. Yeah, that's what I said! Murder!

Never in my entire 50+ years have I ever known a dog that kills GROWN MEN, as well as women and children/babies.

Why the hell does anyone want one of these fucking things? If you ask people, all you'll get is 'because they like the breed.' (Why?!)

'Oh but he's just a big softie' some people say about their 'dangerous' dog breed!

Utterly tragic. That poor baby. Never stood a chance. 😢 As has been said, I don't hear of any other dog breed killing people. Dobermans and Rottweillers used to be the scary, 'dangerous' dogs. I used to walk a mile out of my way to avoid walking past one. They don't bother me now.

It is the owners fault, of course, but these beasts need eradicating.

Fighting, being aggressive and killing makes these dogs feel good.

In exactly the same way that herding makes a collie feel good. In the same way that parading with a ball or slipper in its mouth makes a spaniel feel good.

When a breed that has been bred to fight attacks, it isn’t because something in the dog has gone wrong.

If a collie starts herding, nobody says “Oh no what happened??”

Everyone accepts that the dog is likely to enjoy and seek out opportunities to herd.

These dogs need to be eradicated. Yesterday.

Yes to this.

Muzzled would be an improvement, but rounded up and shot would be a lot more effective.

https://banthebullyxluk.wordpress.com/2023/08/01/finding-kimbo/

The link is interesting, there's not been an update since 2023, I wonder how the genetic testing is going?

If there could be a blood test for the trait then this could help with prevention and removing the trait from all dogs. Crossbreeds could also be tested, instead of just going by how a dog looks.

I'm sure responsible owners would want to know, and maybe testing could be enforced where there are concerns?