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To divorce or overreacting?

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ldnelegantelephant · 03/11/2025 10:17

I’d really appreciate some perspective because I can’t tell if I’m overreacting or if this is something serious enough to end a marriage over.

I have been married to my husband for a couple of years and he’s a really good man. He provides for me financially even though I work full time, he’s never been abusive in any way (emotionally, mentally, financially, etc.), and he defends me strongly, even cut off some family members because of how they treated me. He treats my family with a lot of respect, and he’s physically affectionate. Hugs, kisses, cuddles- physical touch is definitely his love language.

He spends all his time with me, which I love in some ways. He doesn’t really go out much, he’s a total homebody. When he’s not working, he just wants to be home with me. We hang out a lot- watching movies, playing video games, or just relaxing together. He has close friends, but mostly interacts with them online or by phone. He’s not very social outside the house, which has never really been a huge problem for me.

The issue, and it’s been going on for years now, is that he just doesn’t express love through words or through effortful gestures like planning dates.
Before marriage, he used to constantly tell me how lucky he was, how much he appreciated me, how he loved me, and he would plan things for us. That’s actually one of the main reasons I married him. I need reassurance and verbal affection to feel loved. Now, yes he tells me he loves me every day (at night before we sleep, in the morning before work), but he is not as vocal as he used to be. He even used to send me paragraphs expressing his love for me.

Now I’m the one planning every date. If I didn’t plan them, we literally wouldn’t go out. When I bring it up, he says he’ll “try,” but even when I suggest something really minimal like “just one date night a month,” he’ll say “I’ll try” instead of actually committing. He'll then do it once or twice and then we will go months where he does not plan any dates before the issue is raised again.

It breaks my heart because I feel like I’ve been so clear about what I need, and it’s not even something huge or expensive. I’m not asking for daily gifts or over-the-top romance- just small verbal reassurances, compliments, and some effort to plan things so I feel seen and wanted. In his mind he can't see why I have an issue with being the one who plans all the dates, but I want it to be a shared thing and I want to feel like he wants to plan things and do fun things together. BTW he pays always. Not sure if that adds anything.

He’s not cruel or dismissive, like I said he says he loves me, and I know he does in his own way. But this is starting to really affect me. When I tried to tell him that, he said something that really hurt- that he “doesn’t think he has it in him” to give me what I need. Later he backtracked, but honestly I don’t think asking for one date night a month is too much.

So now I’m stuck wondering:
Am I being unreasonable for wanting this?
Would you take this as something that could be worked on, or do you think divorce is needed?

I love him, and we have a peaceful marriage but I feel unhappy with these two things. I honestly don’t know if this is fixable or if I should start accepting that this might be the rest of my life if I stay. He has now begged me to give him a chance to try but I don't know how many chances I need to give for something so minimal.

PS before anyone suggests- he is a very loyal person. We have access to each other's phones, accounts etc. so I know that he is not doing anything shady or cheating. Just want to put this out there before any potential comments.

OP posts:
ldnelegantelephant · 03/11/2025 11:41

2024onwardsandup · 03/11/2025 11:36

My point still stands - what do you even mean by he is a provider? You have really messed up views about relationship dynamics - no doubt from your trauma. Work on that. It may indeed be better for you to be on your own to address those issues

I mean that is the type of person he is with everyone in his life. He likes to provide for others no matter who it is.

OP posts:
moderate · 03/11/2025 11:41

He should definitely divorce you.

If he organised one date night a month, you would find some other way to fault him.

You seem to understand in the abstract that this problem comes from within you, but you still expect him to be the one to change.

He will find a better wife than you. You will not find a better husband than him.

Foundress · 03/11/2025 11:41

Starlight1984 · 03/11/2025 11:20

Why do you need to plan a 'date night's? Why can't it be a nice meal out or a trip to the cinema or a country walk together. Why do you need to label anything you do together??

Unfortunately this is yet another huge effect of social media. Same with "love languages".

I think a lot of younger people these days are struggling to settle or be happy because they are constantly watching how others live their lives and then compare themselves and their relationships to the fake lives of influencers.

Thankfully I'm too old (and happy in my marriage) to be sucked in by the bullshit you see on Instagram / TikTok but I can imagine that people in their 20s and 30s buy into it massively.

Yes I do agree with this. However my DH in all the years we have been together has only ever planned one holiday for us. He only did that because I forced him into it. I have to plan every restaurant visit (including my own birthday), day out, theatre, cinema visits or holidays. We would never leave the house if it was left up to my DH. It gets very wearing so I sort of understand that aspect of the OP’s post.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 03/11/2025 11:41

Starlight1984 · 03/11/2025 11:12

Well yes, he used to arrange dates... When they were dating!!! 😂

They're married now. They no longer need to "date".

Yes, I never understand this ‘date night’ thing. Sounds so teen-mentality.

BunnyLake · 03/11/2025 11:42

Clearinguptheclutter · 03/11/2025 11:36

This is not a divorce situation!

ifs an ongoing issue in our house that dh doesn’t organise (or even suggest) anything fun, ever. So any holidays, trips to see family (including his!), cinema, walks, anything are always initiated by me. It winds me up but I’ve accepted it and I certainly wouldn’t divorce him over it.

Well it could be for the dh.

If I was as good a partner as OP’s dh then found out she wanted to divorce me over something so petty I’d want to divorce her!

Would love to know what OP brings to the table that she thinks not only should she get everything her neediness demands from her dh, but there are others out there just waiting to step up for her. OP must be quite the catch.

debjane88 · 03/11/2025 11:42

I can hardly believe what I'm reading...try being married to an adulterer who told lies, gaslit me, stuck up for his mother when she was completely vile to me and...drum roll....had sex with other men....yes, all true...and I needed a divorce. Hope this gives you some perspective. Try appreciating him more.

Starlight1984 · 03/11/2025 11:42

ldnelegantelephant · 03/11/2025 11:37

He does not let me pay. He likes providing for everyone. I always try to pitch in and help.

You "try to pitch in and help"?!

So this husband pays for everything, treats you well, is affectionate, tells you he loves you every day, is respectful to your family, wants to spend his spare time with you, is loyal...

But you think you should divorce him because he doesn't "plan dates"?

You seem to be ignoring everyone saying that dates are no longer a thing when you're married @ldnelegantelephant . The reason he did all that before was because you were dating and not living together. You have absolutely ridiculous expectations.

winterbluess · 03/11/2025 11:43

Starlight1984 · 03/11/2025 11:20

Why do you need to plan a 'date night's? Why can't it be a nice meal out or a trip to the cinema or a country walk together. Why do you need to label anything you do together??

Unfortunately this is yet another huge effect of social media. Same with "love languages".

I think a lot of younger people these days are struggling to settle or be happy because they are constantly watching how others live their lives and then compare themselves and their relationships to the fake lives of influencers.

Thankfully I'm too old (and happy in my marriage) to be sucked in by the bullshit you see on Instagram / TikTok but I can imagine that people in their 20s and 30s buy into it massively.

You're right.. date nights to stick on social media 🙄

OP, you're not dating you're married

EveningApartment · 03/11/2025 11:43

Maybe ask why he can't do dates? Is it the money? The energy it takes to plan them?

ittakes2 · 03/11/2025 11:44

I think you need to put the hubby issue aside and speak to a therapist to determine if you have poor confidence issues and if yes to work on these. You are coming across as very needy. If you work this out then decide if your hubby is the person you want to spend the rest of your life with.

ldnelegantelephant · 03/11/2025 11:44

Starlight1984 · 03/11/2025 11:42

You "try to pitch in and help"?!

So this husband pays for everything, treats you well, is affectionate, tells you he loves you every day, is respectful to your family, wants to spend his spare time with you, is loyal...

But you think you should divorce him because he doesn't "plan dates"?

You seem to be ignoring everyone saying that dates are no longer a thing when you're married @ldnelegantelephant . The reason he did all that before was because you were dating and not living together. You have absolutely ridiculous expectations.

Ok maybe I used the wrong bloody word!!!! My point is he never ever plans anything- dinners, drinks, cinema whatever!!!! My point is if I did not plan these things we would NEVER leave the house!

OP posts:
3hairspastfreckle · 03/11/2025 11:44

Ok this sounds wanky, but you need to work put what his love language is and when he does that thing, know that is his way of telling you he loves you. That doesnt mean you cant also go out on dates, but if you understand that when he buys your favourite chocolate, brings you a cup of tea without being asked, or any of these small things, that is him.putting effort in. So the planning of dates then becomes less important, esp if he is happy to go on dates when you plan them. Its about noticing where he is putting the attention into the relationship and appreciating it. Like in other areas we learn what each of our strengths and weaknesses are and play to them, same with this

ShiftingSand · 03/11/2025 11:44

He sounds like an introvert who is happy to be with you mostly at home. I’m also an introvert and planning outings is very draining for me, no matter how simple. Like everyone is saying, he sounds like a really good man who loves you a lot. Maybe ongoing therapy will help you to see that you don’t always need verbal reassurance to know that you are cared for.

Ponderingwindow · 03/11/2025 11:44

If I had written one post about the problems I had with XH, it might not have truly explained why we really needed to divorce. This makes me wary of telling someone that a complaint is trivial. However, if this is the sum total of the problems in your marriage, I don’t think you are going to find happiness elsewhere.

Relationships age and settle into a comfortable routine. That should be part of the excitement. That I love you every night before you fall asleep is an amazing thing.

If your husband is happy to go on date nights you plan, you are actually pretty lucky. Many homebodies would get tired of that many outings.

Kbroughton · 03/11/2025 11:44

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 03/11/2025 11:41

Yes, I never understand this ‘date night’ thing. Sounds so teen-mentality.

I am 49 and i agree with date nights! Mainly because if you dont plan it in, then life, work, kids, dogs gets in the way and before you know it you have barely spent any 121 time together which isnt sitting on the couch watching tele. We have one night a month that's just for us. It is this Saturday and we are going to a barn dance! We agreed last January that we would build in nice interesting and different things to do. Works for us. We both do it though, not just one partner planning.

Enigma54 · 03/11/2025 11:44

Oh and as for date nights when married.. cringe !! 😬

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 03/11/2025 11:44

Shallysally · 03/11/2025 10:29

The thing is, you have discussed your needs with him, he tells you he has heard you but there is no sustained action.

I do agree with @HedwigEliza. A man who wants to spend all of his free time with you, shows you affection even if the words of affirmation are lacking, is a man worth being married to.

However, to say that you need reassurance to feel loved. The need for reassurance can come from feeling that there is an issue.
Have you only needed reassurance since the change in how communication?

If yes, then there is the issue and if he isn’t doing anything about that then you need to give some more thought to your marriage. But please don’t think the grass is greener because I can assure you it is not.

I agree with above. And also with the pp who said you can divorce for any reason you like.

Th posts I see on here, people asking should they stay or go..l most of them are jam packed with negatives. It's really clear where its all leading, and that the person is just trying to gather up the momentum to leave, and then towards the end they feel a bit guilty and throw in something like... "Oh but he's a great Dad" or "He often does the washing up" etc...

Your post is the exact opposite of those. It's jam packed with positives about him. You have expressed this one negative. I'd say that someone who generates as many positives is a good partner and in a way that is a more important affirmation than having them plan regular dates.

Also, I don't like to bias you or dismiss how you are feeling but to me, he sounds like a good man and it doesn't read to me that your relationship is beyond repair at all.. In fact, I think you might be more unhappy if you split as he sounds stable and supportive.

The key issue seems to be that you've asked again and again for him to participate in planning dates ( and yes dates are important, it shouldn't all be telly and chores.) and he's just not really responding to that. And you don't really know why but think its because he doesn't care enough? It sounds like a bit of couples counselling would be helpful to find out why before you make any irreperable decisions.

You said that you are having therapy for previous trauma. Could this possibly be related to you feeling that you don't deserve to be in a relationship? or feeling that you are not worthy in some way? because its unlike your previous experiences? Apologies if that is far from the case, but it might be something to discuss with your therapist.

Maybe he just doesn't know how to sort these things... and feels that he's under pressure to come up with something gobsmacking each time and is worried you won't like what he plans...maybe he's a massive procrastinator? He's not sure what day you want to go.. we don't really know why he's not into planning these things frankly. I think if it was lack of care, it would be showing up in other areas of your life and you haven't expressed that in your post.

How about thinking of some practical ways to get him started. eg

  • stop calling them dates as its probably creating pressure
  • a really nice "outings" calendar with the monthly date on it..(or the week to allow for flexibility) so he knows that's the week its happening.
  • a list of some suggestions that you know you'd like
  • Some website links.. eg if you are in london there are Secret London tik toks.. where you could do a walk around these places and then find a nice place for lunch.. or a copy of time out or other local whats on.
  • Maybe some suggestions of things that are not high budget but activities - as simple as a museum, comedy show, evening at a gastro pub.
  • He may not have time at work, but he can tik tok on the train or in lunch time or just at home.

I realise this is you thinking of things, but I do think you have to give him some idea of your expectations. Think of it is setting up the project. Also I think you need to be generous when he does make the effort and not criticise it too much, rather nudge him in the right direction. Maybe you could do the first one..to show him your process for planning it. Best of luck.

Instructions · 03/11/2025 11:44

So in the plus column we have:

provides for me financially even though I work full time,

he’s never been abusive in any way (emotionally, mentally, financially, etc.)

he defends me strongly, even cut off some family members because of how they treated me

he treats my family with a lot of respect, and he’s physically affectionate. Hugs, kisses, cuddles- physical touch is definitely his love language.

he spends all his time with me, which I love in some ways. He doesn’t really go out much, he’s a total homebody. When he’s not working, he just wants to be home with me.

And in the minus:

he just doesn’t express love through words or through effortful gestures like planning dates.

Only you can ever know whether a relationship is one you want to be in and whether divorce is something that would make you happier but going by your post, you're fairly unreasonable here

Mwwoman · 03/11/2025 11:45

Poor man. You are being ridiculous. Why does your relationship have to be all about your 'needs'?

shhblackbag · 03/11/2025 11:46

Instructions · 03/11/2025 11:44

So in the plus column we have:

provides for me financially even though I work full time,

he’s never been abusive in any way (emotionally, mentally, financially, etc.)

he defends me strongly, even cut off some family members because of how they treated me

he treats my family with a lot of respect, and he’s physically affectionate. Hugs, kisses, cuddles- physical touch is definitely his love language.

he spends all his time with me, which I love in some ways. He doesn’t really go out much, he’s a total homebody. When he’s not working, he just wants to be home with me.

And in the minus:

he just doesn’t express love through words or through effortful gestures like planning dates.

Only you can ever know whether a relationship is one you want to be in and whether divorce is something that would make you happier but going by your post, you're fairly unreasonable here

OP, please read this a couple of times. Perspective.

TwoTuesday · 03/11/2025 11:46

If you feel emotionally empty like you said, then yes you do need to split, because that sounds like you don't love him. Feeling emotionally empty because he doesn't organise a date night, when everything else is good, is not right. It's like you've pinned your unhappiness on that, but it isn't the core issue. He may be perfect for others, and he does sound like an excellent husband to me, but that doesn't mean he'll make you happy.

Starlight1984 · 03/11/2025 11:47

Foundress · 03/11/2025 11:41

Yes I do agree with this. However my DH in all the years we have been together has only ever planned one holiday for us. He only did that because I forced him into it. I have to plan every restaurant visit (including my own birthday), day out, theatre, cinema visits or holidays. We would never leave the house if it was left up to my DH. It gets very wearing so I sort of understand that aspect of the OP’s post.

My DH is exactly the same BUT.... he is absolutely amazing in a million other ways. So the fact he doesn't book our holidays or plan anything is completely irrelevant because there are so many things that I don't do that he could accuse me of!

We both have our strengths and yes of course, once in a while it would be lovely if DH booked a weekend away or a theatre trip. But the reality is, he probably thinks that once in a while it would be lovely if I sorted the MOT / service on the cars or a thousand other jobs that I never have to think about so it's swings and roundabouts!

Goldfsh · 03/11/2025 11:47

OP - It is not his job to 'fix' you.

You've already said that you want things because of your mental health needs. That's not fair to expect him to meet those needs.

If you divorce, YOU will need to meet those needs anyway. So work through these needs in therapy, and find ways to be the parent/partner to yourself that you need.

You are being very unreasonable here. You have a good man. Work on yourself.

JudgeJ · 03/11/2025 11:47

Starlight1984 · 03/11/2025 11:37

What the fuck?

'Provider' always reminds me of my late MIL, born 1910, whose definition of a good husband was that 'he's a good provider'! Never expected to hear it 115 years later.

OneFineDay22 · 03/11/2025 11:47

It is totally normal for declarations of love to die down after the initial stages of a relationship. As far as a man is concerned he has already told you how he feels, so unless that were to change there is nothing else to say.

You should definitely discuss this with your therapist because what you are suggesting sounds potentially self-sabotaging.

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