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To divorce or overreacting?

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ldnelegantelephant · 03/11/2025 10:17

I’d really appreciate some perspective because I can’t tell if I’m overreacting or if this is something serious enough to end a marriage over.

I have been married to my husband for a couple of years and he’s a really good man. He provides for me financially even though I work full time, he’s never been abusive in any way (emotionally, mentally, financially, etc.), and he defends me strongly, even cut off some family members because of how they treated me. He treats my family with a lot of respect, and he’s physically affectionate. Hugs, kisses, cuddles- physical touch is definitely his love language.

He spends all his time with me, which I love in some ways. He doesn’t really go out much, he’s a total homebody. When he’s not working, he just wants to be home with me. We hang out a lot- watching movies, playing video games, or just relaxing together. He has close friends, but mostly interacts with them online or by phone. He’s not very social outside the house, which has never really been a huge problem for me.

The issue, and it’s been going on for years now, is that he just doesn’t express love through words or through effortful gestures like planning dates.
Before marriage, he used to constantly tell me how lucky he was, how much he appreciated me, how he loved me, and he would plan things for us. That’s actually one of the main reasons I married him. I need reassurance and verbal affection to feel loved. Now, yes he tells me he loves me every day (at night before we sleep, in the morning before work), but he is not as vocal as he used to be. He even used to send me paragraphs expressing his love for me.

Now I’m the one planning every date. If I didn’t plan them, we literally wouldn’t go out. When I bring it up, he says he’ll “try,” but even when I suggest something really minimal like “just one date night a month,” he’ll say “I’ll try” instead of actually committing. He'll then do it once or twice and then we will go months where he does not plan any dates before the issue is raised again.

It breaks my heart because I feel like I’ve been so clear about what I need, and it’s not even something huge or expensive. I’m not asking for daily gifts or over-the-top romance- just small verbal reassurances, compliments, and some effort to plan things so I feel seen and wanted. In his mind he can't see why I have an issue with being the one who plans all the dates, but I want it to be a shared thing and I want to feel like he wants to plan things and do fun things together. BTW he pays always. Not sure if that adds anything.

He’s not cruel or dismissive, like I said he says he loves me, and I know he does in his own way. But this is starting to really affect me. When I tried to tell him that, he said something that really hurt- that he “doesn’t think he has it in him” to give me what I need. Later he backtracked, but honestly I don’t think asking for one date night a month is too much.

So now I’m stuck wondering:
Am I being unreasonable for wanting this?
Would you take this as something that could be worked on, or do you think divorce is needed?

I love him, and we have a peaceful marriage but I feel unhappy with these two things. I honestly don’t know if this is fixable or if I should start accepting that this might be the rest of my life if I stay. He has now begged me to give him a chance to try but I don't know how many chances I need to give for something so minimal.

PS before anyone suggests- he is a very loyal person. We have access to each other's phones, accounts etc. so I know that he is not doing anything shady or cheating. Just want to put this out there before any potential comments.

OP posts:
herbaltincture · 03/11/2025 11:47

That’s actually one of the main reasons I married him. I need reassurance and verbal affection to feel loved. Now, yes he tells me he loves me every day (at night before we sleep, in the morning before work), but he is not as vocal as he used to be. He even used to send me paragraphs expressing his love for me.

This is so petty and vacuous, I can't believe this man wants to spend all his time with you, to be honest. God knows who he imagines you are.

shhblackbag · 03/11/2025 11:48

TwoTuesday · 03/11/2025 11:46

If you feel emotionally empty like you said, then yes you do need to split, because that sounds like you don't love him. Feeling emotionally empty because he doesn't organise a date night, when everything else is good, is not right. It's like you've pinned your unhappiness on that, but it isn't the core issue. He may be perfect for others, and he does sound like an excellent husband to me, but that doesn't mean he'll make you happy.

But this is also true. In that case, set him free for someone else.

norestforthewickedwitch · 03/11/2025 11:48

You must be really needy if this is a deal breaker. Get a dog, they’ll show you unconditional love!

YRGAM · 03/11/2025 11:48

Are you putting in the same effort to speak his love languages as you were when you were dating? I highly doubt it.

Not to be crass, but this might apply from a (female!) couple's therapist

https://www.drpsychmom.com/6-ways-romance-women-like-oral-sex-men/

6 Ways That Romance For Women Is Like Oral Sex For Men - Dr. Psych Mom

The article your marriage always needed.

https://www.drpsychmom.com/6-ways-romance-women-like-oral-sex-men/

Viviennemary · 03/11/2025 11:48

You are being ridiculous. He could end up leaving you because of your neediness, discontent and unrealistic expectations.

Overitallnow · 03/11/2025 11:49

If I was him I'd divorce you and find someone much less needy and hard work.

Branster · 03/11/2025 11:49

I think you just want to train him to do tricks like a pet dog.
If he clearly loves and respects you, why do you need him to say it in words if this is not his natural way to express himself? Just let him be the real him. I imagine there would be similar details about you to him that he'd like you to act play but he's intelligent enough to realise he doesn't own you and you're not a robot he can programme to do the exact things he'd like to see you do or say.
And you're only 2 years in! Let's see how this go if you are so upset about this one thing so early on.

HearingDrums · 03/11/2025 11:49

ldnelegantelephant · 03/11/2025 11:44

Ok maybe I used the wrong bloody word!!!! My point is he never ever plans anything- dinners, drinks, cinema whatever!!!! My point is if I did not plan these things we would NEVER leave the house!

Some people are like this, my other half included. So I arrange those things.
Everything else you describe is fantastic, there is usually one partner who is better at organising trips out etc, and that's ok.
Stop trying to change his personality, or let him go and be with someone who isn't always finding things wrong with him.
You asked if you were unreasonable to think about divorce, the answer is yes.

Iwanttoliveinagardencentre · 03/11/2025 11:50

You appear to have watched that american bloke on celebrity shagging or married at first gawp or whatever they are called who witters on about “love languages”.
I would say yes, do divorce him though.
Someone else would be very grateful to have him.

Goldengirl123 · 03/11/2025 11:50

You seriously need to grow up and see how lucky you are!!! I’m not sure if this is a joke or not

PurpleThistle7 · 03/11/2025 11:50

Obviously none of us know what it's like in your relationship, but just from the lists here he sounds lovely. Definitely an introvert and would be quite happy never really 'doing' anything, but otherwise a kind and loving man.

I doubt my husband would ever plan anything if I didn't do it. Parties, holidays, whatever is on me. I like planning and he very much does not. He likes cooking and looking after me and the children and he reads them stories and takes care of our garden and all sorts of other things... but he will never ever plan a spontaneous date night and that's totally fine. No one is good at everything!

So if this is just one example of a general laziness or there's more to it, or you just don't love him anymore and want to move on - then of course your life is your own and you only get one of them. But if your only complaint is that he isn't doing something you really want him to do, while doing lots of other lovely things, then that seems like a dramatic reaction.

Mwwoman · 03/11/2025 11:51

ldnelegantelephant · 03/11/2025 11:44

Ok maybe I used the wrong bloody word!!!! My point is he never ever plans anything- dinners, drinks, cinema whatever!!!! My point is if I did not plan these things we would NEVER leave the house!

So what? I expect there are things in your lives that he has taken on as his role. I can see it might be rather irritating, but to consider it grounds for divorce from a man who sounds wonderful in every other way sounds ludicrous to me.

ainsleysanob · 03/11/2025 11:51

ldnelegantelephant · 03/11/2025 11:44

Ok maybe I used the wrong bloody word!!!! My point is he never ever plans anything- dinners, drinks, cinema whatever!!!! My point is if I did not plan these things we would NEVER leave the house!

So what?! You do the planning, he does the paying! Team work makes the dream work. You sound incredibly needy and spoiled. Lose this man at your peril!

Lavender14 · 03/11/2025 11:52

I think realistically marriages take a lot of work to 'succeed' and last. Obviously you can end your marriage for whatever reason you want to, but it seems like this is something that could be worked on.

In terms of dates I wonder if you could structure it more. Life can get busy and it can become very easy for things to just get away from you especially when you're feeling safe and secure and it sounds like he's in that place with you and as a result you're feeling taken for granted. I would actually set out the calendar together and agree a set day each month which will be your date day for the month and then you alternate planning a date for it. So mark out who's doing which months and hang it up. That might help keep structure to it so it actually happens. I also think you need to be realistic in that as time moves on and you become a family then life is also busier and the fun and romance of dating kind of becomes a bit unsustainable to a point. Plus there's room to miss each other because you're not living together so there's added pressure to do a lot with the time you do have together, whereas that's not your reality now. He's maybe very content spending time with you in the house and it sounds like his love language is around time spent with you and dedication to that. The whole concept of love languages is two fold and I think you maybe are a bit too focused on what love languages you wish he spoke and what you like to do, instead of focusing on the language he IS using and being able to take what you need from that. It sounds like you're focusing a lot on him understanding you as a partner, but actually are you doing the work to understand him? Part of marriage is accepting someone for who they are and I've always looked at love languages as most helpful when you use them to really understand what another person is telling you by their actions/ words as opposed to trying to shape them into how you'd like that to be packaged?

The second side to this is probably continuing with your own self care and the therapy you've been doing to help you work out which of your needs are his to meet and which are actually yours to meet. Being told at least twice a day every day you're loved is pretty consistent and could be seen as 'sufficient' even if your love language is words of affirmation. I think it's great you're reflecting on all this seem quite open to different perspectives.

TheAlcott · 03/11/2025 11:52

Instructions · 03/11/2025 11:44

So in the plus column we have:

provides for me financially even though I work full time,

he’s never been abusive in any way (emotionally, mentally, financially, etc.)

he defends me strongly, even cut off some family members because of how they treated me

he treats my family with a lot of respect, and he’s physically affectionate. Hugs, kisses, cuddles- physical touch is definitely his love language.

he spends all his time with me, which I love in some ways. He doesn’t really go out much, he’s a total homebody. When he’s not working, he just wants to be home with me.

And in the minus:

he just doesn’t express love through words or through effortful gestures like planning dates.

Only you can ever know whether a relationship is one you want to be in and whether divorce is something that would make you happier but going by your post, you're fairly unreasonable here

Except that he does express love through words, telling her every day that he loves her. The OP wants 'paragraphs', though...

I agree with the posters who've pointed out that he if he did start planning dates, you'd find something else to complain about. This might be because of genuine deep-seated trauma, or it might be because you're a spoiled princess, but either way it's very much a you problem.

lamamo · 03/11/2025 11:52

Most married couples don't do "dates" like this. What you describe sounds exhausting and so formal. For most couples it's "Hey want to watch X at the cinema on Saturday?" or "Let's check out the new Italian on Y Street" etc. Were your parents divorced? I feel like you don't know what a long term relationship looks like.

Growlybear83 · 03/11/2025 11:53

You’re being ridiculous. Why did you get married if you have so little respect for your marriage vows? Why do you expect him to plan ‘dates’ when you’re married? Surely if you fancy going out, one of you just suggests it when you get home from work? It sounds as though you’re doing your best to drive the poor man away.

Northquit · 03/11/2025 11:53

ldnelegantelephant · 03/11/2025 11:44

Ok maybe I used the wrong bloody word!!!! My point is he never ever plans anything- dinners, drinks, cinema whatever!!!! My point is if I did not plan these things we would NEVER leave the house!

But as you're the one who wants to do that why shouldn't it fall to you?

You don't have to plan things - spontaneously go out for lunch.

SunnyDolly · 03/11/2025 11:53

He tells you he loves you twice a day, every day. He sounds like a great man. As others have said, if you’re the planner, plan - I am too, I plan all our trips out. I sort cinema tickets, I book restaurants I think we’ll like, if I see some experience that looks good I’ll check our calendar and sort it. I just don’t think it matters who books it (especially if he then pays for it!) it’s the going and the doing and the spending time together when you’re there that’s important.

Praying4Peace · 03/11/2025 11:54

HedwigEliza · 03/11/2025 10:21

You’d actually divorce him over this? Because he’s only 99% perfect? You must be crazy.

Some people are never satisfied and don’t know when they have a good thing.

He’s not yours to shape and create - he’s his own person. He can’t be exactly who you want him to be. All the many wonderful attributes he has and everything he brings to the table, and all of that pales into insignificance? You throw it all away for petty nonsense?

You really don’t know how lucky you are.

This in abundance
And why is he providing for you when you work ft?
You need to reframe your thought process OP.
Imo, you are spoilt

Foundress · 03/11/2025 11:54

Starlight1984 · 03/11/2025 11:47

My DH is exactly the same BUT.... he is absolutely amazing in a million other ways. So the fact he doesn't book our holidays or plan anything is completely irrelevant because there are so many things that I don't do that he could accuse me of!

We both have our strengths and yes of course, once in a while it would be lovely if DH booked a weekend away or a theatre trip. But the reality is, he probably thinks that once in a while it would be lovely if I sorted the MOT / service on the cars or a thousand other jobs that I never have to think about so it's swings and roundabouts!

I was probably being a tad on the negative side about the old duffer😂. He does have his good points.

Starlight1984 · 03/11/2025 11:55

Mwwoman · 03/11/2025 11:51

So what? I expect there are things in your lives that he has taken on as his role. I can see it might be rather irritating, but to consider it grounds for divorce from a man who sounds wonderful in every other way sounds ludicrous to me.

This!

If it wasn't for my DH our house would be in a constant state of disrepair and the car would be sat on the drive because I just wouldn't sort it if something was wrong😂

I'm sure the OP is perfect though and it's just the husband who has failings.

Thegreatestoftheseislove · 03/11/2025 11:55

@ldnelegantelephant He has now begged me to give him a chance to try but I don't know how many chances I need to give for something so minimal.

That is so sad to read. So he isn’t perfect … are you perfect? You are thinking of divorce - you realise you will lose much to gain, what?

I wonder what the response would be if he posted from his perspective - I love my wife dearly and tell her so at the start and end of everyday; I love being at home with her and we have a peaceful monogamous marriage, BUT, I don’t feel good enough for her. She tells me she thinks I love her ‘in my own way’. What does that even mean - my love couldn’t be any other than mine?! She constantly complains I am not enough fun and I don’t give her enough reassurance, and now she is talking about divorce. I work really hard and earn enough that we have no financial worries, and when I get home I am happy to just relax and enjoy time being with her. She likes to organise and arrange for us to do ‘stuff’, and I love doing all that. She complains it is always her that is the organiser. That is her talent, not mine, and I do enjoy what she plans, but equally I love my home with her. I have begged her to give me another chance, but I don’t feel I will ever be what she wants …

In marriage, neither person can be 100% a perfect human being - if there is mutual love, then there is compromise, a little self-sacrifice, and a willingness to let go of any slight imperfection, in the knowledge that the letting go works both ways. It seems you are overlooking all his many good qualities and obsessing over what are your issues. Do you truly, honestly, deeply, love this man and appreciate who he is as a human being … or are you merely chasing some idea of ‘perfection’ that is unrealistic?

Teathecolourofcreosote · 03/11/2025 11:55

I have a husband who is crap at words. 99% of the text messages he has ever sent say 'okay'. He is imprecise at language which drives me bonkers sometimes but it is also part of who he is.

Of course he was a bit better in the early days. He was trying to impress me. But we all do it. Can you honestly say you didn't make a bit more effort in how you look, dress, act in the early days of your relationship compared to now?

I'll never get great declarations of love (I'm not good at them either) but I get cups of tea in the morning, he is always supportive of the things I want to do, works hard for the family etc.
He's also not the organiser, I am but as I don't want to cut the wood or clean out the fire I'll swap it for admin as I'm better at it and would probably get stressed leaving it to someone else anyway..

To be honest I found from past experience that the ones who were great at the words did so because the actions didn't match so I'm perfectly happy to accept this 'flaw'.

If you want to go to a restaurant just book it and enjoy yourselves. Stop putting such a huge weight on 'the gesture' or it will all become meaningless as he's just doing it to stop you complaining.

ilucgaiaw · 03/11/2025 11:56

A marriage is about both parties bringing their strengths to the relationship. some people are good at planning and some aren't. He shows his love in lots of different ways.
I don't know what you are expecting regarding planning these "dates". It's a bit bizarre really. I've been in two LTRs and when we were living together going out somewhere for a meal or a day out was just a natural part of the relationship and the ideas just popped up spontaneously in conversation. "I've got Friday off work and the weather's really nice so should we go out somewhere for the day?" and the plan would develop from there. Or we'd say "Shall we go out for a meal on Friday?" "Yeah, what do you fancy, Indian, Thai?", "What about the new Thai restaurant in the city?" "Sounds great, I'll ring and book a table".
It's about working together in a marriage.
I planned and booked all the holidays in my 2 relationships because they just weren't very good at organizing things but the ideas were discussed together first.

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