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The racism on the Huntingdon train threads is appaling

528 replies

Perplexed20 · 02/11/2025 18:48

Just as the title says. The blatant racism and jumping to conclusions on the threads has been terrible. Mumsnet used to be a more informed intelligent place.

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BundleBoogie · 03/11/2025 12:46

Happyjoe · 03/11/2025 10:47

You're nothing but a gaslighter.

Serious question - what am I gaslighting about?

BundleBoogie · 03/11/2025 12:51

JHound · 03/11/2025 11:00

I did. Which is why I know it’s a trope regurgitated from the USA and there is no source for the screenshot. But it is on people to provide source for their claims. Not post misinformation and tell other people to “go look”.

My post was aimed at the person posting a fake screenshot and I asked where it was from. You decided to butt in and did a poor job of it.

Are you seriously calling the Mayor of London ‘misinformation’? Maybe PP missed out a word in her claim idk - things can get lost in translation. Why don’t you look up the percentage of murders in London that are stabbings? Then you will have your answer for your very specific question (clue, it still doesn’t look good) And probably some more useful info too.

From the Mayor of London:
10 February 2022
In this section
Despite making up only 13% of London’s total population, black Londoners account for 45% of London’s knife murder victims, 61% of knife murder perpetrators and 53% of knife crime perpetrators.
www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/assembly/commission-on-knife-crime-in-black-community

40 percent rise in hit and runs

Calls for a commission on knife crime in the black community

Despite making up 13% of London’s total population, black Londoners account for 45% of London’s knife murder victims.

https://www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/assembly/commission-on-knife-crime-in-black-community

BundleBoogie · 03/11/2025 13:03

JHound · 03/11/2025 11:05

Why are you confusing “Jamaicans”’with being British of various Caribbean and or African heritage.

What does “London hosts the largest population of Jamaicans in London” mean?

And what does the presences of Jamaicans in London have to do with the Gang violence matrix? Is your argument that most gang members are Jamaican nationals?

And what does any of this have to do with a mentally ill man on a train?

Also “Yardies”??? They have not been a things since the 90s.

Edited

Omg do you not have internet access?

Here you go.

“There are an estimated 800,000 people of Jamaican origin in the UK, with the largest communities concentrated in London and the West Midlands
London is home to approximately 250,000 people of Jamaican descent, and the West Midlands has the second-largest population, with around 45,000 individuals. “

I linked to the gang crime matrix earlier. You can check that.

Also “Yardies”??? They have not been a things since the 90s.

DDs acquaintance would beg to differ. He is a Yardie. Nice chap. Don’t try and erase his existence. They are very much still active. They’ve even spread their business activities to Ireland. Article from 2023.

This is what I mean about looking for yourself. You find out information. Now I know that not only are Yardies active in London (the guy we know is pretty much retired though) but they are moving into new areas. Fascinating.

www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/1038495/yardie-gangsters-from-london-on-streets-of-limerick.html

BundleBoogie · 03/11/2025 13:06

RingoJuice · 03/11/2025 11:38

The American figure is a real statistic though. I have no idea about the corresponding UK figure. Doubt your government would release such ‘dangerous’ information. As if that fixes anything.

The London figure I provided is from the Mayor of Londons website so pretty reliable. Facts get in the way of some people’s narrative sometimes though.

RingoJuice · 03/11/2025 15:30

pointythings · 03/11/2025 12:43

Well, if we're on the subject of government transparency, yours is living in a glass house and shouldn't throw stones.

It’s true that they’ve not released American figures since the Summer of Floyd. So the ratio is probably worse in all honesty. We are basing the 13/55 off 2019 releases, before some of the worst ideas about policing and incarceration (or lack thereof) took off.

pointythings · 03/11/2025 16:28

RingoJuice · 03/11/2025 15:30

It’s true that they’ve not released American figures since the Summer of Floyd. So the ratio is probably worse in all honesty. We are basing the 13/55 off 2019 releases, before some of the worst ideas about policing and incarceration (or lack thereof) took off.

I wasn't just talking about crime figures.

sleepwouldbenice · 03/11/2025 19:06

Yes OP you are right....

Onmytod24 · 03/11/2025 21:41

BundleBoogie · 03/11/2025 13:03

Omg do you not have internet access?

Here you go.

“There are an estimated 800,000 people of Jamaican origin in the UK, with the largest communities concentrated in London and the West Midlands
London is home to approximately 250,000 people of Jamaican descent, and the West Midlands has the second-largest population, with around 45,000 individuals. “

I linked to the gang crime matrix earlier. You can check that.

Also “Yardies”??? They have not been a things since the 90s.

DDs acquaintance would beg to differ. He is a Yardie. Nice chap. Don’t try and erase his existence. They are very much still active. They’ve even spread their business activities to Ireland. Article from 2023.

This is what I mean about looking for yourself. You find out information. Now I know that not only are Yardies active in London (the guy we know is pretty much retired though) but they are moving into new areas. Fascinating.

www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/1038495/yardie-gangsters-from-london-on-streets-of-limerick.html

Honestly, mum‘s net it’s just getting worse and worse. It’s pathetic. Someone’s got an acquaintance oh big deal.

RingoJuice · 04/11/2025 07:10

Onmytod24 · 03/11/2025 21:41

Honestly, mum‘s net it’s just getting worse and worse. It’s pathetic. Someone’s got an acquaintance oh big deal.

You can’t expect people to ignore reality forever

Onmytod24 · 04/11/2025 08:47

RingoJuice · 04/11/2025 07:10

You can’t expect people to ignore reality forever

So your next door neighbour gets bitten by a dog so we kill all the dogs. Love your logic, love your reality. Jokes.

TigTails · 04/11/2025 11:08

So it turns out the LNER worker who heroically stopped more people being harmed has a “forrin” name.

Whatever will the racists do now…

HPFA · 04/11/2025 11:53

TigTails · 04/11/2025 11:08

So it turns out the LNER worker who heroically stopped more people being harmed has a “forrin” name.

Whatever will the racists do now…

Let's hope he doesn't have ILR so Reform can deport him.

RingoJuice · 04/11/2025 12:07

Onmytod24 · 04/11/2025 08:47

So your next door neighbour gets bitten by a dog so we kill all the dogs. Love your logic, love your reality. Jokes.

Well, I’ll tell you I wouldn’t be owning a dog like an XL bully/pit bull. So there’s that

FuckRealityBringMeABook · 04/11/2025 12:08

Samir Zitouni. What a fucking hero. Suck on that, Farage.

Notagain75 · 04/11/2025 12:14

I hate what we seem to have become in this country. The racist rhetoric from political figures has made people feel they can publicly air their vile views . It started with Brexit and has just got worse since.
I wonder what the racists think about the hero guard Zamir Satouni who saved a lot of lives and was seriously injured in the process .

bombastix · 04/11/2025 12:18

Oh look. It’s almost as if racists and xenophobia don’t care about facts and pretend that their attitudes are justified.

Yuck. Whatever happened to treat others as you yourself would be treated?

Notagain75 · 04/11/2025 12:28

Yellowcardigan · 02/11/2025 20:00

Of course British/white/Christians commit crimes, but generally not this type of crime in Britian.

If we pretend that there isn't a problem with radicalisation we can't tackle it. The bona fides of the poster you're replying to may be suspect, but surely most of us wonder about why an attack like this happens. In recent years in Western Europe, this type of crime has be carried out by radical Islamists.

I worried that it might have been an Islamic fundamentalist, simply because of the nature of the crime, and I worried because it gives a field day to anti-Muslim sentiment.

I don't think this makes me racist.

We know nothing about the perpetrator other than he was British and black. There was no indication that it was a terror attack.
My first thought was it was someone going through a psychotic episode.
Jumping to conclusions makes the situation much worse

pointythings · 04/11/2025 12:30

Thing is, the racists on these threads will learn nothing, feel no shame, hold fast to their disgusting beliefs and then when the next thing happens, they'll just do it all again.

Notagain75 · 04/11/2025 12:34

RingoJuice · 04/11/2025 07:10

You can’t expect people to ignore reality forever

And what reality is that?

NotaTastyVegan · 04/11/2025 13:24

Racism feels like a broken relationship — except it’s as if all Black, Brown, Jewish, Muslim, immigrant, or “forrin” people are seen as one person. No matter what any individual does, people can’t seem to differentiate.
You can do a thousand good things, but the one bad thing someone from your community does — that’s what gets noticed. That’s what defines everyone else.

There are thousands upon thousands of people from these communities living peacefully, contributing quietly, and doing good every single day. But the focus is on the “crazies” — not the complex geopolitical, historical, mental, or social issues behind them. somehow, the blame always falls on everyone who looks like them.

My best friend’s family fall into three of those categories. She and her husband grew up in Sweden (guess which three!) and now live here for work.

She told me she’s scared to go out on her own. I was shocked to hear that — she’s one of the kindest, gentlest people I know, and both of them work in deeply compassionate professions.

But who cares, right? We’re all “awful” and will never be British — apparently because we carry violence or hatred in our blood, our culture, our history… maybe even our DNA or melanin??

We’re supposedly “poisoning” a British society that was, of course, so peaceful and perfect before us.
You can’t make someone love you if they choose to hate you and only focus on the bad.
If someone’s agenda is hate, they’ll always find something to justify it

LizzieW1969 · 04/11/2025 13:35

HPFA · 04/11/2025 11:53

Let's hope he doesn't have ILR so Reform can deport him.

A foreign name means nothing. I have a foreign maiden name because my F was Czech. My DM (who is British) and DB still go by that name and, as far as I know, haven’t faced any issues because of it. (We did when I was a child in the 70s and 80s, though, during the Cold War.)

Of course it’s possible that he’s an immigrant, we don’t know, but he’s clearly been in this country for many years. And he’s white, so the racists will most likely leave him alone. Besides, he’s a hero, with there being calls for him to be awarded the George Cross. So they wouldn’t dare to say anything even if they would in other circumstances.

It’s the least of his family’s worries right now, he’s still critical but stable in hospital. We can only hope that he pulls through to receive any award himself.

RingoJuice · 04/11/2025 14:45

Notagain75 · 04/11/2025 12:34

And what reality is that?

You are literally importing people with a higher tendency towards violence. Look at the per capita murder rate of the various Caribbean islands, it’s actually horrific. You think these tendencies just stop when crossing borders?

You are learning that it doesn’t.

RingoJuice · 04/11/2025 14:46

pointythings · 04/11/2025 12:30

Thing is, the racists on these threads will learn nothing, feel no shame, hold fast to their disgusting beliefs and then when the next thing happens, they'll just do it all again.

You’ll say it’s racist. You cannot say it’s untrue.

Ireolu · 04/11/2025 14:47

The man that saved several people on the train whilst doing his job is Algerian & Muslim.

I wonder how the racists will process that one. I wish him well and pray for his speedy recovery.