The racism on the Huntingdon train threads is appaling

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Just as the title says. The blatant racism and jumping to conclusions on the threads has been terrible. Mumsnet used to be a more informed intelligent place.

Take it up with the racist posters who have led to the site having that reputation.

It’s not my term.

You have never heard of the term and now you have decided “angry young men created it”.

Ok.

You use it often. I’m taking it up with you as you promote angry male views on women speaking online.

ETA I said you use it, so I have heard it in your posts before. Only there though.

Can you link to a source? “50% of murrders committed by 13 of the population” is word for word a claim made in the USA - the UK has a very different demographic make-up so, no screenshots, do you have a link that shows who “13%” of the London population is and that they “commit 50% of murders?”

You are completely inventing it that it is a term created by “angry white men”.

I am not interested in your make believe. I use it as it accurately describes a subset of posters here.

PPs implication that it’s ok to exclude white youngsters from schemes to address deprivation for no reason other than they are white. Does that honestly sound reasonable to you?

I put daughters in brackets as PPs post only mentioned sons but as girls are also victims of deprivation it seemed as odd an exclusion as white kids.

There was a thread posted a few weeks ago decrying summer internships that try to improve diversity in some workplaces. The general theme was, ‘My white son can’t get a place so these schemes are bad and need to be abolished’. Do we want people from deprived communities to see these jobs as realistic options, reducing involvement in drug dealing and crime in general, or do we want to keep them as an underclass we can look down on and complain about?

Go back and read it says an angry man. Why are you adding white or young?

I think it was a term coined a few years ago by trans activists who hated the idea of women talking in public about our rights. Trans activists use it frequently to denigrate women.

It’s terrifying that overt racism seems to have become acceptable on social media, including MN of all places.

I am feeling ashamed to be white British right now. White privilege was always a thing, but never more so than now with the hate against anyone who isn’t white spiralling. This should not be happening in 2025.

Unfortunately, as Orwell said, ignorance is power
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Thank you yes, I can see that. It’s self defeating to use it about a site we’re all using.

Yes it sounds reasonable to me to have schemes aimed at certain underrepresented ethnic groups for the same reason it’s reasonable to have schemes aimed at underrepresented sex groups

The posted being referred to, in fairness objected to all the above as she felt it adversely impacted her son.

Why are you opposed to the former but not the latter?

Here you go. It’s actually worse at 61% black perpetrators for 13% population. That doesn’t include any other means of murder.

From the Mayor of London:

10 February 2022
In this section
Despite making up only 13% of London’s total population, black Londoners account for 45% of London’s knife murder victims, 61% of knife murder perpetrators and 53% of knife crime perpetrators.

www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/assembly/commission-on-knife-crime-in-black-community

It is indeed clear cut.
Poverty can lead to crime. I didn't say it always will, but it can and does.
trustforlondon.org.uk/data/crime-and-income-deprivation/

@EvangelicalAboutButteredToast this is absolutely nothing to do with the current government - they have been put in an impossible position and it was always going to be the case. it is the result of the last 15 years of disordered thinking around tax and spending, Brexit ( cost the country£400 billion so far) very poor controls of spending around Covid - the way benefits work meaning that for many average and low income families, especially with children and renting, work almost doesn’t pay, we think it’s actually normal to try and attach conditions to yourself or children to ‘get more money from the state’ - all basically leaving the country skint - all that propping up by the EU and doing up of certain areas - not happening any more. Flood the country with 3rd world families for a few years, yep that was the Tory’s too 2021 to 2024 - rise in all the small boats situation- yep that was the Tory’s too related to Brexit - and please note Reform is now full of the very same idiots who brought you these policies. Very ambitious fucktards basically , policies on back of a fag packet, concerned only for themselves. The UK has a particularly bad combination of factors that are contributing to a lot of general problems - ridiculous electoral system, tax too low, services not good enough,Brexit , far too much previous privatisation, a celebration of the stupid and an over inflated sense of our own self importance these days in the world. Nowhere is perfect and everywhere is suffering somewhat from changes in the world order, Trumps ludicrous posturing and wars etc - but here I think we have the perfect maelstrom

Also MN has clear content rules on “misinformation”.

Yet posts containing misinformation, are not removed. Why is MN not applying its own rules consistently?

You're nothing but a gaslighter.

Nice try but “knife murders” and “murders” are not the same thing.

The claim was “13% of the population commit 50% of murders”.

Murders by knife crime is one subset of murders. I want the data for the specific claim in the screenshot.

If a scheme is designed to counteract deprivation as PP mentioned, it is not ok to exclude anyone on the basis of the colour of their skin. White kids suffer from deprivation as do other ethnicities.

If there was a football initiative only aimed at white boys to improve the ‘diversity’ of football would you have an issue with it?

Do you realise that barring someone based on the colour of their skin is unlawful discrimination?

Comparing racial discrimination to the need for female only groups or initiatives to address sex inequality is a trans activist argument.

That's vile indeed and am sorry.

It would also apply to me. White, born overseas and spent my childhood in different countries, countries that people on here and other social media/Farage fans would readily condemn. Their perception has little to do with reality. Having travelled for work too was so interesting and enjoyed as an adult in my career.

I like to think that are better for it, people who have seen a little of the world and not small minded bigots who've only ever been to pepsi-cola strip in Benidorm to burn, get drunk and to only eat pie and chips with other British people.

Why don’t you go and look - I always learn so much when I go and research something myself. I’ve got some painting to do.

The exact same can be said of schemes that target girls. The poster you referred to also had an issue with that. You should probably go and find the original post. You are making a fool of yourself. The poster also had an issue with schemes targetting working class people.

I have zero problem with schemes aimed at ethnic minorities for the same reason I have zero issue with schemes aimed at working class people for the same reason I have zero issue with schemes targetting just girls (or even just boys.) I am consistent. You are not.

That proper made me laugh coming from you!

I did. Which is why I know it’s a trope regurgitated from the USA and there is no source for the screenshot. But it is on people to provide source for their claims. Not post misinformation and tell other people to “go look”.

My post was aimed at the person posting a fake screenshot and I asked where it was from. You decided to butt in and did a poor job of it.

How can politicians make everyone safer?

There have been some horrendous attacks and people would like to see better protection against that.

Why are you confusing “Jamaicans”’with being British of various Caribbean and or African heritage.

What does “London hosts the largest population of Jamaicans in London” mean?

And what does the presences of Jamaicans in London have to do with the Gang violence matrix? Is your argument that most gang members are Jamaican nationals?

And what does any of this have to do with a mentally ill man on a train?

Also “Yardies”??? They have not been a things since the 90s.

Well said @JHound