The racism on the Huntingdon train threads is appaling

[Perplexed20]

Just as the title says. The blatant racism and jumping to conclusions on the threads has been terrible. Mumsnet used to be a more informed intelligent place.

‘Mumsnet’ hasn’t changed, public perception and opinion has changed which you are seeing through the forum. People are tired. Empathy fatigue mixed with concern and information overload. The current government is particularly exhausting as they constantly quote soundbites as though there’s nothing concerning to see anywhere, while the country is obviously absolutely skint and with rising levels of crime and disorder. The citizens feel absolutely gaslit and so they go online to vent and find people who feel the same. Literally what you are seeing.

The latest reports suggest that he was shouting about stopping the devil and seemed a very mentally disturbed young man. 🤷‍♀️

He isn’t an immigrant - he is black, but he’s British.

Thoughts should really with those injured and especially that brave guy who tried to stop him, and is now critically ill in hospital.

Yep, and don't forget 'islamaphobia'. It's getting boring.

Absolutely this. Spot on.

The Metropolitan Police's "Gangs Matrix" (now the Gang Violence Matrix or GVM),

In Oct 2020, it showed 79.5% African-Caribbean, 9.9% White European, 5.1% Asian, and 2.3% Arabian/Egyptian.

This has been fairly consistent since the early 2000s.

That extreme proportion is not explained away by ‘deprivation’. That will play a part but other factors will be in play.

London hosts the largest population of Jamaicans in London. The Yardies and other Jamaican and black drug gangs are known for their violence. We should not be accepting these levels of violence.

The relation between poverty and crime is not so clear cut. Being poor does not cause you to become a criminal, plenty of groups experience systemic poverty but are not excessively violent.

The popular one doing the rounds on Social Media this morning is
"If a pig is born in a stable it doesn't make it a horse"
Absolutely vile
My DH was born in another country and has dual nationality but as he is white I am sure the racists would consider him a "horse"

Fucking hell that’s awful.

Why are you so fixated on ‘mass protest’ as a means of communication?

That is generally a last resort when the public feels that the government aren’t listening.

As I said, most of the Catholic perpetrators are dead or in prison so what good will ‘mass protest’ do? There was widespread revulsion and the Catholic Church is now generally held up almost as a synonym for paedophiles and has forever lost its reputation and much of its influence.

Again, the white grooming gangs when uncovered are prosecuted. Due process is occurring - no protests are required.

The Pakistani grooming gangs however, were not being prosecuted. The authorities and communities were covering up and aiding and abetting them. They still are - Jess Phillips appears to be so beholden to her 45% Muslim constituents that she is trying to water down the inquiry designed to obtain justice after many years of the girls being told they were racist by people trying to shut them up.

Just own the fact that your rather nasty attempt at a slur on the general public that our outrage is selective and racially motivated has failed.

Your post as a reminder.

People have 'forgotten' that though.
I've not seen any mass protests outside of churches through child abuse, or the outrage on white grooming gangs. The outrage is selective, more is the pity.

Exactly. My father was a Czech refugee who arrived in the UK in the 70s, when my siblings and I were very small, so I’m half Czech. (My DM is British.) No doubt I’d ’qualify’ now to be counted as a horse as well, seeing as I’m white.

Although it was a different matter when I was a child, my F was suspected of being a Russian spy.

@BundleBoogie You’re a racist. There is NO evidence anywhere that certain ethnicities are more violent than. Also, the ethnicities of gang members tells you nothing about the violent or criminal tendencies of the populations they come from. It does tell you about poverty and deprivation in those parts of the common, however. Less fake science please.

There was a thread posted a few weeks ago decrying summer internships that try to improve diversity in some workplaces. The general theme was, ‘My white son can’t get a place so these schemes are bad and need to be abolished’. Do we want people from deprived communities to see these jobs as realistic options, reducing involvement in drug dealing and crime in general, or do we want to keep them as an underclass we can look down on and complain about?

White people live in deprived communities too. Why shouldn’t their white sons (and daughters) have access to internships to help improve their situation?

I reported too.

I'm disgusted with MN as the threads do go against their talk guidelines particularly ‘misinformation’.

MN has taken the line of ‘public interest and debate’ in defending threads breaking their own guidance .

It get them clicks and money.

The site appears to be taken over by posters who jump in with information implying terror or racists attacks. This is before any truth is known, so of course it is misinformation.

I'm about to deregister but always want to fight for more balanced views. If people with balanced views leave, MN becomes a danger, full of misinformation, spreading incorrect information.
I also know that my one dereistration is not going to make a difference.

@Perplexed20I hope the racist posts are shut down. I certainly won’t stay on a racist site. It would be a real pity if Mumsnet allowed itself to be damaged by a streak of Tommy Robinson type enthusiasts. Also many of us are old enough to have been raised by people who fought racism and nazism in the war.

A bold accusation but wrong.

The crime stats do absolutely say that. Check out recent data gathered from Norway. The U.K. government doesn’t gather that data. We can only assume the reasons why.

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A bold accusation but wrong.

The crime stats do absolutely say that. Check out recent data gathered from Norway. The U.K. government doesn’t gather that data. We can only assume the reasons why.

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It’s Prosecco StormFront - racism is to be expected. Just report the posts to moderators.

To the racist MNers when a non-white person commits an atrocity, their race is the cause. When a white person commits an atrocity race is irrelevant).

It’s sad because it gets in the way of grown up discussion as to why this individual chose to do this. When we see school shootings in the US then you do get the intelligent discussion because people can’t lazily kneejerk to racism as an explanation. But whenever the perpetrator is non-white somehow the only racism is race (and obviously - terrrrrsm). (You also saw a different response when a yt man drove his car into loads of pedestrians in Liverpool and a yt man committed a mass shooting in Plymouth. Grown up discussion ensued.)

I also saw people blaming asylum seekers / asylum seeker policy but apparently this guy is British?!

Apparently a video taken by a witness at the scene had the perpetrator screaming at the police “kill me, kill me!”

It made it seem very similar in tone to me to US school shootings and I have the same question - why do the males who do this type of thing want to take others with them?

Why not just end their own lives and leave everybody else out of it? Has that phenomena even been studied?

What have I said that is racist? Please be specific.

@JHoundDid you upload that ‘Prosecco Stormfront’ nonsense? I only see it in your posts about mn.

See ^^ what I mean about lack of grown up discussion.

It’s not my term.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Prosecco+Stormfront&rlz=1CDGOYI_enAU895AU938&hl=en-GB&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

You could say this about any internships aimed at any group. Why should young girls have access to internships that boys don’t?

(I don’t know why you put “daughters” in bracket as the original thread was specifically about young boys and mentioned internships for people of colour AND women.)

Crime actually has gone down over the last 20 years. There’s a couple of people very rich people who’ve grabbed the microphone and are conning people like you Elon Musk Farage we were better than this.

Yes I know you’ve used it in quite a few posts. It’s a nonsense way to sum up mn and yet you keep using it.

It’s likely written by an angry man who doesn’t like women chatting in a large group online.

Why would you promote angry men and their slurs?

Apparently Britons who happen to be black don’t get to have psychotic episodes. Everything they do is driven by race and race alone.

Keep up!