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Step-daughter versus daughter Mumsnet Bingo

334 replies

GeorgeClarkefan · 01/11/2025 13:59

Hey I have a full house on Mumsnet Bingo, do I win a prize to cheer me up?

  1. Eldest daughter 9 abandoned by Dad, doesn’t see his family either.
  2. Youngest daughter 5 with my husband.
  3. Mother-in-Law wants to take grandchildren to Disney Land so my youngest, my stepdaughter and cousins, not my eldest.
And no we can’t pay for her ourselves in case you ask.
OP posts:
OnlyMabelInTheBuilding · 04/11/2025 17:17

Sorry but given your update, the idea you could never have predicted something like this is, at best, massively naive. Your DH didn’t even want to get married, and sounds like his family were very clear at the outset they wouldn’t see your DD as a DGC.

This was your choice.

WhamBamThankU · 04/11/2025 17:19

If one parent doesn’t agree to a -five year old- child going abroad without either of them then I think the child doesn’t go.

Pices · 04/11/2025 19:58

Do they even like you? They appear to think this isn’t a long term relationship? I’d just leave this and take your DD to do something lovely. Your husband clearly has no intention of adopting your DD and the sooner everything is laid out the better even if it is grim.

CuddlyPug · 04/11/2025 20:16

Well given that your daughter doesn't consider your husband as her dad, it is hardly surprising that your MIL doesn't consider her a grandchild. I don't think it's so unreasonable that your MIL wants to take her grandchildren on holiday. I can't understand the mania of pretending a stepchild is the same as your own child. My opinion would be different if your DD had been adopted by your husband and considered him her father.

Celestialmoods · 04/11/2025 20:30

GeorgeClarkefan · 04/11/2025 14:54

On Sunday afternoon husband spoke to his youngest sister in that they were in the same place at the same time; it wasn’t intentional.

He said he wished the whole thing hadn’t been proposed as it was causing real problems at home.

Apparently she was sympathetic but couldn’t see how things could be resolved.

She told the bizarrest story I have ever heard.

In the 1990s they had been in Spain when MiL had ordered a cocktail and Sisters in law as children had been jealous of all the cocktail sticks and cherries and whatnot so didn’t the bar owner do them what we would call mocktails now.

FiL asked what was in it and on high days and holidays would make these mocktails for his daughters and granddaughters.

So my daughter and I rock up and FiL is doing the whole mocktail thing and she is given one. Later on Sister-in-law claimed that she found their 9 year old niece crying because my daughter had ruined it and she wasn’t a Granddaughter and it wasn’t special anymore, I could not believe this.

My husband did not want to get married and I was ok with his honesty but when I was pregnant my mother kept pestering me about the effect this would have on my youngest. She might be affected because both of her half-sisters had parents who were married when they were born and she would think she wasn’t important enough.

I know that my in-laws spoke about my eldest when we announced our engagement. They wanted to know the effect this would have on their granddaughter/stepdaughter. SiL brought this up on Sunday and told my husband that he was wrong to suggest that my daughter should be treated the same as the existing grandchildren, and surely he had been told that when we were married.

He has told eldest the we aren’t invited instead of she isn’t invited and what shall we do on the days that youngest will be away.

I know she is putting a brave face on things but I don’t know what to say.

Your mother’s reason for suggesting you be married is ridiculous.

I don’t understand why you’re phrasing your post as if it’s some kind of bizarre, unthinkable behaviour to show concern about the emotional effect on a child who is coping with their parents divorce and may understandably be even more hurt when her father goes to live with another little girl?

This family does things their way the same as your family will do things their way. Maybe if your mother had given you advice that showed she was protective of the child from the first marriage like your DHs family were, you would have more realistic expectations of them.

Go with your DH’s lead that there will be other nice things happening that weekend, but be careful you don’t go too far the other way and make your youngest daughter feel excluded from her nuclear family.

MC846 · 04/11/2025 21:11

GeorgeClarkefan · 01/11/2025 22:26

Husband really wants youngest to go, he wants both his daughters to go and spend time together.

I feel I have a losing battle on my hands and youngest will resent me.

Husband says eldest knows she is not his mother’s granddaughter and will enjoy 1:1 time.

I don’t feel I could ever have predicted something like this.

Don't be silly, this seems like it was perfectly predictable, your DH and his family were quite clear, they told him how it would be and he didn't want to get married in the first place. You just thought they'd change their minds and did what you wanted to do.

This is on you. It's also not that big a deal and you're making it a drama. Your eldest understands she has a different family to her younger sister, just don't make a big deal about it and do something nice with your daughter while they're away. I suspect you won't do that though because you have drama queen written all over you 🤷‍♀️

T1Dmama · 05/11/2025 02:20

So if you went away with your two daughters and didn’t want to take step daughter would everyone think that’s ok? After all she’s not your daughter!
when you married did you have just your daughter as bridesmaid or did you have step DD too?
I imagine this is very one sided !

I also find it extremely odd that you feel your FIVE year old will resent you for not letting her go?!….. I mean are you not the parent?….. I would just be saying NO! She’s too young… end of! Or insist your DH goes too!…..
I would 100% be saving up for a treat for just your and your eldest…. A day at Thorpe park or Alton towers or something!

FishersGate · 05/11/2025 02:23

Dacatspjs · 01/11/2025 14:42

Just tell her no, she isn't allowed to take your kids away without you, and you can't use annual leave to go on a holiday that doesn't include your whole family.

Exactly this

FishersGate · 05/11/2025 02:33

No wonder so many adults need therapy from poor childhood and upbringing. I know many blended families and in the vast majority they are that blended!! Not left out by grandparents due to different mums dads not married etc etc. The large majority of adults are just that adults and accept step children with open arms. Those stating its a life lesson honestly grow up

T1Dmama · 05/11/2025 02:33

GeorgeClarkefan · 04/11/2025 14:54

On Sunday afternoon husband spoke to his youngest sister in that they were in the same place at the same time; it wasn’t intentional.

He said he wished the whole thing hadn’t been proposed as it was causing real problems at home.

Apparently she was sympathetic but couldn’t see how things could be resolved.

She told the bizarrest story I have ever heard.

In the 1990s they had been in Spain when MiL had ordered a cocktail and Sisters in law as children had been jealous of all the cocktail sticks and cherries and whatnot so didn’t the bar owner do them what we would call mocktails now.

FiL asked what was in it and on high days and holidays would make these mocktails for his daughters and granddaughters.

So my daughter and I rock up and FiL is doing the whole mocktail thing and she is given one. Later on Sister-in-law claimed that she found their 9 year old niece crying because my daughter had ruined it and she wasn’t a Granddaughter and it wasn’t special anymore, I could not believe this.

My husband did not want to get married and I was ok with his honesty but when I was pregnant my mother kept pestering me about the effect this would have on my youngest. She might be affected because both of her half-sisters had parents who were married when they were born and she would think she wasn’t important enough.

I know that my in-laws spoke about my eldest when we announced our engagement. They wanted to know the effect this would have on their granddaughter/stepdaughter. SiL brought this up on Sunday and told my husband that he was wrong to suggest that my daughter should be treated the same as the existing grandchildren, and surely he had been told that when we were married.

He has told eldest the we aren’t invited instead of she isn’t invited and what shall we do on the days that youngest will be away.

I know she is putting a brave face on things but I don’t know what to say.

Later on Sister-in-law claimed that she found their 9 year old niece crying because my daughter had ruined it and she wasn’t a Granddaughter and it wasn’t special anymore,

what a horrible child!! And why wouldn’t this child’s mother tell her not to be such a selfish brat!

I would stop trying to blend your family - I wouldn’t be going to any family events…. Christmas etc at home with your two daughters…. Husband does what he wants but you don’t see his family at Christmas as they’re ‘his’ not yours!

people are arse holes and I simply wouldn’t tolerate this for my daughter… another reason I’ve stayed single…. I’d NEVER allow my DD be made to feel so shitty…

Also make sure you have a will otherwise if you go first your daughter will get nothing! Be sure to leave your half of everything in trust to your two daughters! Or 2 thirds of your share to your eldest and 1 third to youngest…. And when he leaves his share to his 2 it ensures your eldest isn’t forgotten

MeatsAndCheesesAlwaysPleases · 05/11/2025 03:02

I absolutely would not be letting my 5yo go anywhere with at least 2 other children and only one adult in the first place, but especially not to a place as far away (I’m assuming you mean USA, but even Paris still stands) and as busy as Disneyland. I’d be iffy about my 5yo leaving the country without me full stop.

I also would want a trip like Disneyland to be a family trip as in you, DH, 9yo, DSD and 5yo. It’s a special place (in my eyes) that you should experience together.

You can’t force MIL to take your eldest, but you can tell her that she’s not taking your youngest. Leaving a 9yo out of a trip like that, especially if it’s not a holiday that you’d be able to afford yourself for her to experience it too with her siblings, is unbelievably cruel.

I’d tell MIL that she can’t take 5yo and calmly explain why. Then I’d book a nice trip (even just in the UK) for your family to somewhere nice while they’re away. 5yo may be upset at first, but that’s easily dealt with, and will cause less pain and upset than 9yo being the only one left out.

AgileLemonShark · 05/11/2025 03:03

Honestly OP you could have foreseen this. You should have foreseen this. Your DD should have been your absolute first priority before getting pregnant with another man, especially as her own Dad and his family had abandoned her, and your DH’s family not fully accepting her as another child of the family (she was only 3-4 when you got pregnant with your youngest, just a tiddler) should have been an absolute dealbreaker.

A 9 year old (which is the perfect age to go and enjoy it) being cut out of going to Disney when all the other kids in the family are going is just barefaced cruelty. I say that as someone who missed out on Disney when I was in my early TEENS in a somewhat similar circumstance. Never forget how it felt. Having been to Disney several times now with my own DC doesn’t take that away!

You must insist that they take her too. Insist on paying, put it on a cc, and call out your MIL on her cruelty to her face. Don’t threaten not to let the 5 year old go though. She must go. You may know that they don’t want to take her, she doesn’t have to. They surely wouldn’t be awful to her and she’ll be with her sister. I’d be seriously considering divorce if your DH doesn’t stand up to his family for that little girl.

CanadianCooper · 05/11/2025 03:15

BettysRoasties · 01/11/2025 14:45

Not you personally but the fact the second marriage of their son is now over they treated his steps as theirs for them to now again not be family.

Is exactly why some families won’t got too familiar with the step family members.

Agree

MeatsAndCheesesAlwaysPleases · 05/11/2025 03:29

I’ve just seen the update - 2 adults and 9 children at Disneyland Paris? Absolutely no chance. I’d say that even if it was a trip to Benidorm or Butlins. They may be capable, but Disney isn’t your average theme park holiday. There is so much going on, so many people, and so many opportunities for kids to wander off or get lost in a crowd. 9 kids of varying ages is also many needs and feelings for 2 adults to manage. One needs the toilet, one’s hungry, one’s crying because their feet hurt from all the walking, now another one needs the toilet, one wants to go on a ride that no one else wants to, one doesn’t want to go on a ride everyone else does want to… plus I can’t even begin to imagine how travel and sleeping arrangements will look. No chance would my 5yo go for that reason alone.

Your husband needs to man up a bit instead of sitting around with his head in his hands. 5yo is the child of you both, he does not get final say on this. MIL hasn’t done any of this in a way that’s even slightly considerate of the 9yo’s feelings. Okay she doesn’t have to take 9yo, but it’s just common decency to try not to rub it in their face. Telling the children first, so they can excitedly talk about it with each other, knowing that one child has been left out is not only manipulative, but cruel too. Her apologising for not mentioning to him first doesn’t mean anything.

Please, standup for your 9yo, and push back on your husband insisting that 5yo go. From your other posts it sounds as though he (subconsciously or not) is othering your daughter as your daughter. She’s an afterthought, so you need to be the one that stands up for her. Tell him you don’t want youngest going for a myriad of reasons, including the fact that you don’t feel comfortable of the adult to child ratio, nor your 5yo being abroad without you there, plus the irreparable damage this will do to 9yo’s relationship with other family members (especially their sister) and their emotions.

PennyRest · 05/11/2025 03:33

Not a chance I’d let my young dc go away with another adult at that age, however capable. Did I read 2 adults and 9 kids? No way.
Not going would solve the issue, as several
people have said.

No5ChalksRoad · 05/11/2025 03:37

The answer is No.

Mothership4two · 05/11/2025 03:41

Two women taking 9 children abroad without one of us would be a hard no from me. Plus she's only 5. Added that they are in their 60s - I'm not far off that myself - so energy levels are not the same as when their children were little no matter how capable they are in their jobs.

In MIL shoes I wouldn't exclude step grandchildren ever. I don't understand this kind of thinking and I think people can underestimate how hurtful it can be.

InterIgnis · 05/11/2025 03:42

AgileLemonShark · 05/11/2025 03:03

Honestly OP you could have foreseen this. You should have foreseen this. Your DD should have been your absolute first priority before getting pregnant with another man, especially as her own Dad and his family had abandoned her, and your DH’s family not fully accepting her as another child of the family (she was only 3-4 when you got pregnant with your youngest, just a tiddler) should have been an absolute dealbreaker.

A 9 year old (which is the perfect age to go and enjoy it) being cut out of going to Disney when all the other kids in the family are going is just barefaced cruelty. I say that as someone who missed out on Disney when I was in my early TEENS in a somewhat similar circumstance. Never forget how it felt. Having been to Disney several times now with my own DC doesn’t take that away!

You must insist that they take her too. Insist on paying, put it on a cc, and call out your MIL on her cruelty to her face. Don’t threaten not to let the 5 year old go though. She must go. You may know that they don’t want to take her, she doesn’t have to. They surely wouldn’t be awful to her and she’ll be with her sister. I’d be seriously considering divorce if your DH doesn’t stand up to his family for that little girl.

She can’t insist they do anything they don’t want to do, that they’ve made clear they won’t do. OP trying to force it isn’t going to get her what she wants here, she will just further alienate herself and her daughter.

OP’s DH doesn’t consider her his daughter, so why would he ‘stand up to his family’ when he shares their stance on this? The person he’s standing up to and disagreeing with here is OP.

OP obviously doesn’t want to divorce. She knew where he and his family stood when she married him. It wasn’t a dealbreaker when she married him, and it isn’t a dealbreaker for her now. I suspect that she’ll continue to kick off about it occasionally, but she won’t go so far as to seriously threaten her marriage.

ohdearmemummy · 05/11/2025 05:41

Say no not right now’. Agree she can take them when you can all afford to go together.

AshesUnderUricon · 05/11/2025 05:46

Husband really wants youngest to go, he wants both his daughters to go and spend time together.

Maybe he does, but is that what his daughters want? They are of different ages and may not have very much in common. And is Disneyland the only place where they could spend time together?

WaryHiker · 05/11/2025 06:40

It was only when I started reading Mumsnet that I realised this was even an issue with some families. It has always seemed a no-brainer to me that if your child willingly takes on parental responsibility for their stepchildren, you follow their lead and support that choice.

My son got together with a woman with two children, and they became our grandchildren from the day their parents officially got together. I have always felt very grateful to my now-daughter-in-law for including us so readily and generously in her family. The children have been nothing but a joy, and it didn't feel at all different when our first biological grandchild was born. They were simply a third much-loved grandchild.

As for the concern lots of posters raise about step grandparents losing access to the original children should their parents split up, that has never loomed large in our thinking. As far as I am concerned, the relationships we have with the younger generation, and the duty we owe to them as members of their family and society as a whole means the important thing about this relationship is primarily how it benefits the child, not how it benefits us. The great pleasure we get from having them in our lives is just a bonus.

No one can predict the future. Obviously, things may change, but our grandchildren having us in their lives at this point is beneficial to them and their development. So, we are happy to let the chips fall where they may. In the horrible event of an acrimonious breakup and us not being allowed to see them anymore, that still in my view doesn't take away from the good they will have received while we were in their lives. So, we live in the day and love them and cherish them and try to support them in whatever way possible. We don't live in the what-ifs of a possible future change in circumstances.

StewkeyBlue · 05/11/2025 07:47

My 5 year old would not be going away as one of 9 kids with 2 adults.

That’s the first issue here.

Which takes care of the second.

SlightlyBruisedApple · 05/11/2025 07:59

WaryHiker · 05/11/2025 06:40

It was only when I started reading Mumsnet that I realised this was even an issue with some families. It has always seemed a no-brainer to me that if your child willingly takes on parental responsibility for their stepchildren, you follow their lead and support that choice.

My son got together with a woman with two children, and they became our grandchildren from the day their parents officially got together. I have always felt very grateful to my now-daughter-in-law for including us so readily and generously in her family. The children have been nothing but a joy, and it didn't feel at all different when our first biological grandchild was born. They were simply a third much-loved grandchild.

As for the concern lots of posters raise about step grandparents losing access to the original children should their parents split up, that has never loomed large in our thinking. As far as I am concerned, the relationships we have with the younger generation, and the duty we owe to them as members of their family and society as a whole means the important thing about this relationship is primarily how it benefits the child, not how it benefits us. The great pleasure we get from having them in our lives is just a bonus.

No one can predict the future. Obviously, things may change, but our grandchildren having us in their lives at this point is beneficial to them and their development. So, we are happy to let the chips fall where they may. In the horrible event of an acrimonious breakup and us not being allowed to see them anymore, that still in my view doesn't take away from the good they will have received while we were in their lives. So, we live in the day and love them and cherish them and try to support them in whatever way possible. We don't live in the what-ifs of a possible future change in circumstances.

Respectfully, that’s very easily said. Watching my parents deal with what was essentially a bereavement, the sudden total loss of grandchildren they had loved for the best part of a decade because of the acrimonious end of a relationship, was horrific. They would tell you they love my sister’s stepchildren from a subsequent marriage just as much, but in fact they can never let themselves feel the same way.

Allthings · 05/11/2025 08:08

WaryHiker · 05/11/2025 06:40

It was only when I started reading Mumsnet that I realised this was even an issue with some families. It has always seemed a no-brainer to me that if your child willingly takes on parental responsibility for their stepchildren, you follow their lead and support that choice.

My son got together with a woman with two children, and they became our grandchildren from the day their parents officially got together. I have always felt very grateful to my now-daughter-in-law for including us so readily and generously in her family. The children have been nothing but a joy, and it didn't feel at all different when our first biological grandchild was born. They were simply a third much-loved grandchild.

As for the concern lots of posters raise about step grandparents losing access to the original children should their parents split up, that has never loomed large in our thinking. As far as I am concerned, the relationships we have with the younger generation, and the duty we owe to them as members of their family and society as a whole means the important thing about this relationship is primarily how it benefits the child, not how it benefits us. The great pleasure we get from having them in our lives is just a bonus.

No one can predict the future. Obviously, things may change, but our grandchildren having us in their lives at this point is beneficial to them and their development. So, we are happy to let the chips fall where they may. In the horrible event of an acrimonious breakup and us not being allowed to see them anymore, that still in my view doesn't take away from the good they will have received while we were in their lives. So, we live in the day and love them and cherish them and try to support them in whatever way possible. We don't live in the what-ifs of a possible future change in circumstances.

You didn’t have grandchildren and then had others being shoehorned in afterwards. It also sounds like they all live in the same household. Neither situations result in a blood grandchild being pushed out. I also hope you are not stepping on the toes of blood grandparents. You are fortunate in not being bothered about the prospect of never seeing pseudo grandchildren if the relationship breaks down, but that is a reality that many face and it can be devastating.

Time and time again I have seen how much ‘blended’ families have a negative impact on various family members. From the first family, to the ex wife being usurped by a second family. Great if you can all make it work and every single family member is happy with these pseudo family relationships, but in many cases the psychological impact lasts a lifetime.

InterIgnis · 05/11/2025 18:41

WaryHiker · 05/11/2025 06:40

It was only when I started reading Mumsnet that I realised this was even an issue with some families. It has always seemed a no-brainer to me that if your child willingly takes on parental responsibility for their stepchildren, you follow their lead and support that choice.

My son got together with a woman with two children, and they became our grandchildren from the day their parents officially got together. I have always felt very grateful to my now-daughter-in-law for including us so readily and generously in her family. The children have been nothing but a joy, and it didn't feel at all different when our first biological grandchild was born. They were simply a third much-loved grandchild.

As for the concern lots of posters raise about step grandparents losing access to the original children should their parents split up, that has never loomed large in our thinking. As far as I am concerned, the relationships we have with the younger generation, and the duty we owe to them as members of their family and society as a whole means the important thing about this relationship is primarily how it benefits the child, not how it benefits us. The great pleasure we get from having them in our lives is just a bonus.

No one can predict the future. Obviously, things may change, but our grandchildren having us in their lives at this point is beneficial to them and their development. So, we are happy to let the chips fall where they may. In the horrible event of an acrimonious breakup and us not being allowed to see them anymore, that still in my view doesn't take away from the good they will have received while we were in their lives. So, we live in the day and love them and cherish them and try to support them in whatever way possible. We don't live in the what-ifs of a possible future change in circumstances.

Funnily enough my experience is the opposite. It’s only been online that I’ve seen the ‘must take them on as your own’ narrative be so widespread.

As far as I can recall, I have never encountered anyone claiming to feel exactly the same for their stepchild/stepgrandchild as they do their actual child/grandchild in real life at all.

As much as you value the ‘all in’ model, there are others, including stepchildren, that don’t consider it an attractive proposition at all. Luckily, there’s no universal rule that everyone is obliged to adhere to.

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