Feminism sold a lie - Women, today, are worse off than ever

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Listening to the women I work with, it's been interesting to hear their views about feminism and they are not happy. We are all millennial age so not too young, not too old and I keep hearing that it's the millennial generation of women that have absolutely lost out the most.

I think feminism initially promoted some idea of independence, equality and choice. Phrases like 'men hold all the money and power' at the time were very emotive whilst not entirely true. The correct statement then (and still now) is some men hold all the money and power. Most men back in the 50s-70s worked very long hours and spent pretty much all their money on their family. It was hard for everyone, but I think women were more empowered then than now.

In contrast to today, most of the women my age have to work. Whilst feminism promotes choice, most of them do not actually have a choice today. Most men today do not earn enough to run a household which means most women have to work. The worst part is they still do a larger share of the domestic work and childcare. So I think women now have it worse than ever - it's not just me, my female colleagues feel the same way. They've come to point in life where they want to start a family but they know they will have to come back to work.

Now it's all to do with feminism. There are other factors which has driven up the cost of living (inflation, property prices, profit extraction from multinational corporates etc).

I mean sold a lie in that in the words of a pp it’s still a man’s world, they’ve just upped our productivity. I think it’s exhausting having to birth children, be a homemaker and have a career. I almost crave having less hats to wear!!

What utter bullshit.

I'm not going to read all the replies because I'll start giving you loads of fact-checks, personal anecdotes and references. I've been doing this for a long time already, I want a break.

Check it for yourselves. While you're doing that, you might just possibly give a moment's thought to why my generation - the one that won the rights your generation took so much for granted that you tried to give them away - sometimes calls you 'whining' millennials.

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I think we’re in the same side here. Women are still expected to do more at home and that work is not valued in the same way as traditional “men’s work”. We don’t yet have equality.

When feminism first started getting going properly in the nineteenth century the following things were legal:

men could beat their wives
men could lock their wives up in a room in their house for any or no reason and not feed her
men literally owned their wives - their wife was not considered a legal person
men could have forcible sex with their wife as and when they pleased and her consent was not required.

quite a lot of early feminism wasn’t about working it was about stopping women being physically sexually and mentally abused.

nobody (except maybe Andrew Tate) wants to go back to that.

I agree that women have it hard in the sense that they are expected to financially contribute and do most of the labour at home. Hard disagree that women in the 50-70s had it easier. Domestic violence was rife and was swept under the carpet, including sexual abuse, consent didn't matter in marriage in those days. Women had a much harder time escaping domestic abuse, the support wasn't there and they didnt have the means financially. Not all men spent all their money on their family, many spent it down at the pub.
I do get anoyed about the expectations on women to work like they have no children and parent like they have no job, but I'd take that over the days where Domestic violence and marital rape were acceptable.

As a working class 18 year old I was working on a farm and attending the local agricultural college two days a week where I was one of two girls in a class of about 20 farmer's lads.

After a few years I went to horticultural college where there were slightly more girls, but not many. I then worked in a garden where I was the only woman with about 10 blokes.

It's your limitation not feminism that will be holding back your daughter's earning power.

All I am thinking right now, if the op is speaking for millennials - females are FUCKED

Every generation has taken the fight on, forever fighting our corner, yet now we have milenials thinking they have been sold a lie - so what are they bringing to the generation behind them ?

No way in a million years would I go back to the old days. I can afford to pay all of our bills myself. This means I can walk out any time I like. When men know this they behave a lot better. I have so much more freedom than my female ancestors.

I am the mother of a millennial, my daughter is 31.

My personal thoughts haven’t necessarily been structured by feminism, it’s always been there of course, but over and above feminism, I am a human, female.

I am 58 and brought my daughter up as a single parent, working full time, juggled all of the things today’s women have to, as did women generations before me.

Saying that women that preceded me, did not have to go out to work, but that doesn’t mean their lives were better.

I worked long hours in the NHS, doing shifts and weekends. I used a combination of family and nursery for child care and my daughter walked up the road at 10 to go to school on her own because I started work at 8 and school at 9. My mum picked her up and I got back at 6/7. I used to say to her “ what I am doing is wrong”.
Right, that I was independent and supporting us but wrong in the number of hours I spent away from her. There was no other choice. We
got through. She is now a mother of two,
married and launching her own business.

Child care is abysmal now compared to what was available when my daughter was at nursery. There were local authority nurseries then, and they were about £80 per week. Affordable! Child care has now become privatised, so wrong!

Life evolves and changes, we can’t blame it on a lie sold by a feminist ideology. All ideologies are lies if we consider them to be truths rather than tools.

Yes, hear hear.

The feminists of the past assumed that the generations of women coming after them would keep on fighting as hard as they did.

I completely agree, I don’t think such a long maternity leave has done women any favours.

Let’s take the difference between my nan and I.

my nan was born in 1935. She went to school, got married and worked part time. She has a family, and her money was her own. My granddad worked and that income was enough to sustain the family. They were mortgage free by the age of 45. They retired to the coast at age 50, and opened a restaurant (my nan’s lifelong dream!), raising their children by the seaside and making the most of their twilight years. She died at 85, surrounded by family who adored her.

im 26, by which age she had a property in joint names and two children, and had been married for 8 years. I cannot even afford to make rent. I’m working 9-5, 5 days a week, for fuck all. What hope do I have? Maybe I’ll find a guy and manage to buy a house. Maybe I won’t.

Oh, for goodnesses sake!

What have we actually got from feminism that we don't want? The right to legally be an adult? The right to bodily autonomy?

If you're not happy look at capitalism and culture.

I actually work in a traditionally male dominated role where I face danger every day in the same manner as my male colleagues but also face significant discrimination and get regular comments regarding my size and physical capacity from the public. I’m incidentally masters educated and married to the incidental bricklayer who out-earns me. He’s lovely and he steps up at home but it’s not expected of him in the same way it’s still expected of me, jobs notwithstanding.

Absolutely this.

I remember the women in 90s coming back to work after maternity leave. It sounded like bloody hard work and not much fun.

i work part time and don’t have kids. Can’t say I have any regrets on that front.

OP is from the Andrew Tate school of feminism.

Exactly. Elizabeth Bennett told Jane she could marry for love but just to make sure she fell in love with a rich man. Nothing changes.

Well then you’re just perpetuating the problem. Be the change you want to see.

Amusing reply as I’m in the services myself and know first hand what I’d be sending her into.

Errr... I won't ask about your background but my grandma never worked except during the war, and no one "owed" her or deprived her of any choice 🤷‍♀️

But not with all that stuff. I lived in a3 bed large terrace house. However we didn't have any car never mind two. We walked or got bus to school, didn't go to ," clubs" until teens then we got ourselves there. And no foreign holidays either. Caravan park every couple of years

Does anyone remember the midnight misogynist? He used to post about how the girls in the office didn't agree with feminism, anyone else think this might be him?

I'm a millennial & I want to work. My DH is hands on with chores & dc & that's the norm for my friends.

I feel the same

You’d have to be a truly brain dead moron to think women are “worse off than ever”.

Also a millennial and thank God no woman I spend time with would share such idiotic views.