To wonder where the left has gone?

[KenAdams]

Ironically, this is somewhat of a rant.

Is everyone too scared to stand up to the constant hate filled rants for fear of being called "woke"?

Is the constant inference that VAWG is only perpetrated by brown men not worth standing up to?

Is the rhetoric that all of our problems are caused only by small boats and not legal migration or billionaires not problematic? For the record, I believe it is a problem, but not the only problem and not even the biggest problem. I believe the system is the problem.

The increasingly hostile movement against anyone that is non white is making people fearful of going about their every day lives and people seem to just want to sit on the sidelines and refuse to call it out.

Where is everyone?

I feel like this post might turn into a gaslighting shit show, but fuck it, I've had enough.

It’s weaponising the minorities in society isn’t it?

Nobody is reading through your endless streams of waffling attemptsto derail, so if you have a question ask it here very clearly and I will consider whether I want to answer.

Yes "your" adored Guardian and BBC. Source - your posts. Irrelevant if you consider that acceptable or not.

You can of course just say that they are trashy and cannot be trusted, but you won't do that :)

Homosexuality is illegal in Nigeria. They are literally hunting down homosexuals. Parents would be taking a risk by hiding gay family members.

“It says the death penalty is the legally prescribed punishment for same-sex sexual acts in Brunei, Iran, Mauritania, Saudi Arabia, Yemen and in some northern states of Nigeria.
In five countries - Afghanistan, Pakistan, Qatar, Somalia, and the United Arab Emirates - there is no legal clarity and the death penalty could be applied.”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-43822234?app-referrer=deep-link

He had an obviously English name and articles led with a big picture of him.

Why has this thread taken a sudden focus on homosexuality in Nigeria??

So the claim was: but the Left’s refusal to allow people to raise very real issues without calling them racist/ transphobic or indulging in whataboutery

This has been perfectly illustrated by several posters in this thread with Swift leading the charge using racist slurs, calls to deny basic human rights to people with those views and even supporting threats of violence. Just read this thread or listen to any Nadia Whittome speech.

Even Keir Starmer has joined in with the ‘racist’ slurs. The Labour Party trying to make significant portions of the conversation illegal also has a chilling effect on many aspects of the topic. Maybe you are impervious to law? Most people don’t want to think they are doing something illegal.

^If you're so done with this thread, why is it that you've reposted exactly the same unhinged hate filled rant that was just reported and deleted?

You just sound mad and not seeing the real issue: inequality.

There are many countries where homosexuality is illegal and people are actively hunted down, embedding homophobia in the population. PP couldn’t understand why allowing in large numbers of people from such countries could have a negative impact on our lesbian and gay population. Other PP was explaining.

Ahh I see. I thought it was that many gay people were fleeing their native countries for a more accepting UK.

How on Earth do you prove that someone’s claim for asylum based on lethal homophobia is true? That’s the problem, how can there possibly be a test for truth vs using it as a path to asylum. It only takes one falsehood with a criminal charge and everyone’s suspicious and then people argue between themselves whether or not it’s right to be suspicious; people continue to die and people continue to fight and people continue to claim asylum righteously and through nefarious means and all the while people get angrier and feel more self righteous and divisions grow ever wider. Honestly when I really think about it I start to feel a level of sympathy for Keir Starmer, he’s in an impossible situation. Wrong person wrong time.

@KenAdams why do you wonder where they've gone?

There's plenty of commentators making the points that you make

There's SUTR out every weekend

What is it you're wanting exactly?

I agree - there has been a huge lack of leadership for a long time now

You see we can agree on something, I wouldn't have supported that ban, although unlike you I would want you thoroughly research it first rather than jump to conclusions
However its very ironic that you dont see that this is happening still now on twitter, because the echo chamber suits your opinion, you prefer other views not being pushed there.

Sorry for the delay it was this one discussion after the gsry neville post re flags etc

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002kfmn?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

Yes, rather crass

Yes, it's odd how people seem to think the asylum seekers are all liberal-minded innocents in need of protection, and never the sort of person they need protection from. Despite many immigrants telling us exactly this, that we are letting in the very people that made their countries so bad that people need to run. But then we ignore them - or if we really can't ignore them, call them racists who are 'pulling the bridge up behind themselves'. Even though the very act of granting asylum confirms that we are aware that the sort of bad people they're warning us about do exist... we just resolutely refuse to believe these bad people might be so dishonest as to come here claiming they're an innocent in need of residency in a developed nation offering free board, healthcare, education, benefits etc. Even homophobes, paedophiles, murderers and rapists wouldn't stoop that low, surely?

And even if it were true that we only ever admit the persecuted and never their persecutors (!), who are we expecting to fight for progress in the countries they've left? For the rights and safety of those who come after, and those unable to run? Or are we supposed to just accept that those countries are homophobic/misogynistic/violent and that's that, that's their culture and all cultures are definitely equal*, even as they're stoning people to death because they're accused of kissing someone of the same sex, or because they're a married woman who was raped by a married man and so committed adultery. Are we supposed to pat ourselves on the back for being so accepting, and polish our halos for helping those in need, or at least those in need who are also rich and healthy enough to get here?? Whilst ignoring the fates of all the poor bastards who don't have the youth, health, money and support to cross continents and reach the promised land.

Guess I'm just one of those far-right bigots who's too thick to understand.

*(And even though these cultures are definitely completely equal to our own, we still accept that they're bad enough that people need to flee from them, and that we need to offer asylum to keep them safe from their definitely-completely-equal-if-not-superior cultures - and that it's not at all odd that once safely here they then continue to adhere to and promote this dangerous-and-hateful-culture-from-which-they-needed-to-flee-and-claim-asylum rather than discarding it and embracing the culture and values of their rescuers 🤔)

When you have citizens living rough, without a doctor, of course it causes huge social unrest when a newcomer, be they in work or a refugee, seems to be able to find housing and has a doctor.

How could it not?

What would you want to me to ‘thoroughly research first’ - thr fact that men can’t be women?? We KNOW that already - my dog knows that.

However its very ironic that you dont see that this is happening still now on twitter, because the echo chamber suits your opinion, you prefer other views not being pushed there.

No it’s not still happening on X, that’s my point. People are no longer getting banned for stating basic facts. There is an algorithm that makes suggestions but you are sounding extremely judgy as you literally have no idea what I look at and who I follow.

The difference between you and I appears to be that I actually listen to the side that disagrees with me in order to understand their arguments. You call X a right leaning echo chamber to try and dismiss what is said on there because some people are now allowed to say things you don’t like.

It’s just a shame for the left that they don’t seem to have any coherent arguments, just a dislike for free speech, democracy and the working class.

I'm not condoning this event, obviously, but you do know there were a lot of similar, largely unreported events that happened where the perpetrator wasn't a migrant?

How would you know if people are fearful by just looking at them?

Have you tried actually talking to people about how they feel? Because I have, and I find that there are a lot of people who are very fearful indeed.

There are also a lot of racists, as the Tonmy Robinson flags testify.

Check out the Green Party, OP. I will likely be voting for them next election.

I’ve not watched the video but your response sounds very much like “girls and women get harassed anyway so why bother preventing them getting harassed at all”.

Once a week my teen DD travels from school to an activity. It takes her past a location where many immigrant men are just “hanging out”. Mostly thy just stand and stare the younger ones with their hands in their tracksuits. Sometimes they follow her for a few steps/half a block, sometimes they laugh and make jokes at her, sometimes they try to engage her in conversation. Mostly they just stare.

She felt vulnerable and targeting walking past the location and desperately ashamed about telling me she no longer wanted to go to the activity as she was scared she’d be perceived as racist for objecting to their behaviour.

i have felt nervous about expressing my frustration at the situation for fear of being called racist. This is a problem.

yes white/non immigrant men are an issue, but there are specific cultural issues relating to some men who grow up outside of the west and not being able to discuss this without being branded a racist is why we are where we are.

Yes there are a lot of racists - not all white.