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To wonder where the left has gone?

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KenAdams · 28/10/2025 17:54

Ironically, this is somewhat of a rant.

Is everyone too scared to stand up to the constant hate filled rants for fear of being called "woke"?

Is the constant inference that VAWG is only perpetrated by brown men not worth standing up to?

Is the rhetoric that all of our problems are caused only by small boats and not legal migration or billionaires not problematic? For the record, I believe it is a problem, but not the only problem and not even the biggest problem. I believe the system is the problem.

The increasingly hostile movement against anyone that is non white is making people fearful of going about their every day lives and people seem to just want to sit on the sidelines and refuse to call it out.

Where is everyone?

I feel like this post might turn into a gaslighting shit show, but fuck it, I've had enough.

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JHound · 29/10/2025 10:29

sleepwouldbenice · 29/10/2025 00:53

Sorry for the delay it was this one discussion after the gsry neville post re flags etc

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Thanks!

PeonyPatch · 29/10/2025 10:31

Gingernessy · 29/10/2025 10:21

Yes there are a lot of racists - not all white.

True.

Winter2020 · 29/10/2025 10:46

Batmanisaplaceinturkey · 28/10/2025 20:54

Lots of pinkwashing going on here. Meanwhile bet these posters don't give a damn about the lives of gay people.
"What about the women!"
"What about gay people!"
"What about..." and so on
As if these Nigel Farage fans really care about the lives of women/gay people etc.

We see you. Its bullshit.

I bet you are so fed up with all the "bigots" in the uk? I bet you feel like emigrating?

I hear Syria is lovely at this time of year.
Or how about Afganisdan?

No? Why not? All those people that share British values and so lovely. Enjoy.

Cinnamon77 · 29/10/2025 11:45

Actually there's an article about queer representation in the drinks industry in the Middle East yesterday and many believe the anti LGBT sentiment is now A LOT stronger in the UK than it is in Muslim countries, which are actually welcoming

Locutus2000 · 29/10/2025 14:42

bestchooseanother · 29/10/2025 01:03

Yes, it's odd how people seem to think the asylum seekers are all liberal-minded innocents in need of protection, and never the sort of person they need protection from. Despite many immigrants telling us exactly this, that we are letting in the very people that made their countries so bad that people need to run. But then we ignore them - or if we really can't ignore them, call them racists who are 'pulling the bridge up behind themselves'. Even though the very act of granting asylum confirms that we are aware that the sort of bad people they're warning us about do exist... we just resolutely refuse to believe these bad people might be so dishonest as to come here claiming they're an innocent in need of residency in a developed nation offering free board, healthcare, education, benefits etc. Even homophobes, paedophiles, murderers and rapists wouldn't stoop that low, surely?

And even if it were true that we only ever admit the persecuted and never their persecutors (!), who are we expecting to fight for progress in the countries they've left? For the rights and safety of those who come after, and those unable to run? Or are we supposed to just accept that those countries are homophobic/misogynistic/violent and that's that, that's their culture and all cultures are definitely equal*, even as they're stoning people to death because they're accused of kissing someone of the same sex, or because they're a married woman who was raped by a married man and so committed adultery. Are we supposed to pat ourselves on the back for being so accepting, and polish our halos for helping those in need, or at least those in need who are also rich and healthy enough to get here?? Whilst ignoring the fates of all the poor bastards who don't have the youth, health, money and support to cross continents and reach the promised land.

Guess I'm just one of those far-right bigots who's too thick to understand.

*(And even though these cultures are definitely completely equal to our own, we still accept that they're bad enough that people need to flee from them, and that we need to offer asylum to keep them safe from their definitely-completely-equal-if-not-superior cultures - and that it's not at all odd that once safely here they then continue to adhere to and promote this dangerous-and-hateful-culture-from-which-they-needed-to-flee-and-claim-asylum rather than discarding it and embracing the culture and values of their rescuers 🤔)

Guess I'm just one of those far-right bigots who's too thick to understand.

I don't think you are too thick to understand. That would make your racist rant less offensive, especially the 'clever' sarcasm in the final paragraph.

Yuk.

Dockerty · 29/10/2025 15:51

When the pendulum swings too far to the left - it’s inevitable that it will then swing to the far right

5128gap · 29/10/2025 16:03

Dockerty · 29/10/2025 15:51

When the pendulum swings too far to the left - it’s inevitable that it will then swing to the far right

Except it hadn't swung too far left, has it? We had a Tory government for ever and a day and I've seen very little indication from the current Labour one that they're left at all, never mind far left.

ThatPoliteGreenKoala · 29/10/2025 16:06

I hear you it can feel really frustrating when important issues get drowned out or oversimplified. Speaking up is hard, but even small voices calling out injustice matter. You’re not alone in feeling this way.

Dockerty · 29/10/2025 16:07

5128gap · 29/10/2025 16:03

Except it hadn't swung too far left, has it? We had a Tory government for ever and a day and I've seen very little indication from the current Labour one that they're left at all, never mind far left.

The centre right of the tories ended years ago. They swung to the left. I was a Tory, there is a reason so many of them are jumping to reform

Cornishclio · 29/10/2025 16:15

I think the media and politicians whip up the racist nonsense for their own gains but we do have a problem in certain areas with asylum hotels and some immigrants are not prepared to integrate or are criminals so this needs to be addressed with much more rigor than previously. Of course we also have white criminals so tarring all with the same brush is nonsense. We need a tougher and quicker immigration system and sort out these asylum hotels. I am left leaning and welcome legal immigrants through the correct systems but we need to sort out the small boats and those of us that acknowledge this should not be called racist.

5128gap · 29/10/2025 16:18

Dockerty · 29/10/2025 16:07

The centre right of the tories ended years ago. They swung to the left. I was a Tory, there is a reason so many of them are jumping to reform

Ah, I see. You mean when the right becomes less right their traditional supporters will seek out an alternative that better aligns with their more extreme right wing views? Yes. I see that. I thought you were talking about at a societal level.
But that doesn't explain why members of the public who formerly aligned with left wing views, the traditional Labour voter, would switch to Reform. They haven't been scared away by experiencing a far left regime because there hadn't been one.
They have more likely become disenchanted with a government that has lost sight of its traditional values and is actually not left wing enough (in the traditional sense of the word) to make a positive difference to their lives.

Winter2020 · 29/10/2025 20:13

Cinnamon77 · 29/10/2025 11:45

Actually there's an article about queer representation in the drinks industry in the Middle East yesterday and many believe the anti LGBT sentiment is now A LOT stronger in the UK than it is in Muslim countries, which are actually welcoming

So we can reject all the asylum claims from these countries based on people being gay. Brilliant.

KenAdams · 30/10/2025 00:43

youalright · 28/10/2025 18:52

I only ever see this stuff on the Internet in the real world everyone is just getting on with their lives. I also think most people are in the middle and can see good and bad on both sides. I find it odd to be so fixated on one side that you would agree and defend everything they do.

I'm actually in the middle too. But usually I hear both sides and fall somewhere between them and there are no left voices to listen to at the moment.

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RoostingHens · 30/10/2025 00:52

People see the hypocrisy of many on the left - we hear so much about initiative to address under representation of racial groups from the left yet when the right point out under representation of a racial group there are screams of ‘racist’!

KenAdams · 30/10/2025 00:54

ShieldsStation · 28/10/2025 19:25

You haven’t seen the pile one on recent threads? I didn’t participate in one the other day but the only argument I kept seeing was “White British men commit crime too” over and over again. Any evidence that there are some real problems with immigration as it stands and not the racist hysteria you often get on FB, is greeted by the same kneejerk statements which never actually address the issues.

I can’t bear Farage and co either btw. He doesn’t really care about the people of this country and is just using it to gain power and heaven help us when he does but I feel politically homeless now because the Left seem mostly interested in appeasing/cosseting their self appointed best friends of the week than dealing with real issues and abusing/cancelling anyone who disagrees with them. For them women saying no to men is a bigger problem deserving of more action and derision than violent men threatening to rape, harm and kill women who say no to women’s spaces.

You've put it much more eloquently than me

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RoostingHens · 30/10/2025 01:03

5128gap · 29/10/2025 16:18

Ah, I see. You mean when the right becomes less right their traditional supporters will seek out an alternative that better aligns with their more extreme right wing views? Yes. I see that. I thought you were talking about at a societal level.
But that doesn't explain why members of the public who formerly aligned with left wing views, the traditional Labour voter, would switch to Reform. They haven't been scared away by experiencing a far left regime because there hadn't been one.
They have more likely become disenchanted with a government that has lost sight of its traditional values and is actually not left wing enough (in the traditional sense of the word) to make a positive difference to their lives.

It is not about not being left wing enough, it is about the left being detached from the working classes and instead representing a middle-class bubble of privilege. The fact that the left have got so caught up with the luxury belief of gender ideology and queer theory is an example of that. Everyone knows you can’t change sex and working class women more than most. Their lives are impacted by immigration, their culture dismissed, their communities destroyed, young girls raped, and they are told they are racist for objecting. White working class men are the most underachieving demographic in society but so many diversity initiatives ignore them.

KenAdams · 30/10/2025 01:13

EmeraldRoulette · 28/10/2025 22:31

@KenAdams why do you wonder where they've gone?

There's plenty of commentators making the points that you make

There's SUTR out every weekend

What is it you're wanting exactly?

Are there? It doesn't seem like there is a strong movement like there is on the right.

What is SUTR?

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Agrumpyknitter · 30/10/2025 01:16

Screamingabdabz · 28/10/2025 18:22

I’m have the same values. But I don’t think criticising policies of uncontrolled mass immigration makes you ‘racist’.

Yes and who caused them? Brexit has made it worse thanks to Farage and the Tories Rwanda policy was wasteful. And they were the ones who put the asylum seekers into hotels to house them. I like the Labour idea of housing them in barracks.

We had a recent incident in our village where a young man in his 20s sexually assaulted a teenager and then a woman out walking her dog. They caught him and all I could think was thank god he was white because of the unrest it might have caused.

Because most crimes are committed by white people since we have a country where 74 percent of the population identify as white. Crimes on white people matter in the press, there were hardly any reports on the second attack on a British sikh woman who was followed home by a white racist man who forced his way into her home, raped her, beat her and then racially abused her and robbed her. Tell me again about how it’s all about protecting women and children.

RoostingHens · 30/10/2025 01:24

Agrumpyknitter · 30/10/2025 01:16

Yes and who caused them? Brexit has made it worse thanks to Farage and the Tories Rwanda policy was wasteful. And they were the ones who put the asylum seekers into hotels to house them. I like the Labour idea of housing them in barracks.

We had a recent incident in our village where a young man in his 20s sexually assaulted a teenager and then a woman out walking her dog. They caught him and all I could think was thank god he was white because of the unrest it might have caused.

Because most crimes are committed by white people since we have a country where 74 percent of the population identify as white. Crimes on white people matter in the press, there were hardly any reports on the second attack on a British sikh woman who was followed home by a white racist man who forced his way into her home, raped her, beat her and then racially abused her and robbed her. Tell me again about how it’s all about protecting women and children.

Most crimes are committed by white people because there are more white people. But individuals of certain immigrant nationalities are considerably more likely to commit crimes than white people. So much so that crime figures are now being hidden.

The Tories Rwandan policy (to process migrant applications from there) never happened as it was opposed by the left.

Frannieisnthappy · 30/10/2025 01:42

HeavenInMyHeart · 29/10/2025 08:04

Check out the Green Party, OP. I will likely be voting for them next election.

I would also be happy for a Labour/Green Party coalition if push comes to shove.

Frannieisnthappy · 30/10/2025 01:44

RoostingHens · 30/10/2025 01:24

Most crimes are committed by white people because there are more white people. But individuals of certain immigrant nationalities are considerably more likely to commit crimes than white people. So much so that crime figures are now being hidden.

The Tories Rwandan policy (to process migrant applications from there) never happened as it was opposed by the left.

What crime figures are being hidden and how do you know 😮

RoostingHens · 30/10/2025 01:47

Frannieisnthappy · 30/10/2025 01:44

What crime figures are being hidden and how do you know 😮

because it was debated in parliament

AgentSmith2025 · 30/10/2025 01:58

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BeeWitchy · 30/10/2025 03:02

I haven’t RTFT.

Does anyone follow Ann Russell? A very intelligent woman who, amongst other things, knows how to get household things clean that seem beyond redemption. She’s a fount of knowledge on many topics. She’s on Tik Tok, and also on YouTube I believe.

Today I learned, from her, that last year the immigrants so many people are angry about cost each UK tax payer on average £9 last year. And by comparison, bank bailouts cost each taxpayer £320 last year. I don’t think it’s the immigrants who are the problem.

But the powerful, and those who want power, would like us to think it is the immigrants that are the problem because that’s the way they go about accumulating more wealth unhindered - while they have the populace distracted and busy punching down on people more powerless less than them.

BeeWitchy · 30/10/2025 03:07

RoostingHens · 30/10/2025 01:24

Most crimes are committed by white people because there are more white people. But individuals of certain immigrant nationalities are considerably more likely to commit crimes than white people. So much so that crime figures are now being hidden.

The Tories Rwandan policy (to process migrant applications from there) never happened as it was opposed by the left.

I think it is that those of other backgrounds other than white are more likely to be charged with a crime, not commit more crime. And once charged, they are more likely to be found guilty than their white counterparts.