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Another day, another clown show - Epping asylum seeker and rapist released from Prison ‘by mistake’

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WildLimePoet · 24/10/2025 18:12

You literally couldn’t make this shit up.

This country is broken.

Reform should send David Lamey a big thankyou note for this gift.

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rockstarshoes · 24/10/2025 20:33

HedwigEliza · 24/10/2025 20:23

It does make a difference. If you believe we have a problem with ‘homegrown’ sex offenders, why would you allow immigration from the countries where such behaviour is rife, and make a bad problem worse?

Anyway, perhaps Labour and Tories both imagine they’ll be able to make a comeback a few years down the road, with clean hands, all the difficult problems sorted out in unpalatable ways and smugly say "wasn't it awful what the evil far right Reform party did? At least we never sacrificed our Labour/Conservative/Liberal values." They don’t have answers for the enormous problems facing us now, and they know it.

Because the whole issue of stopping the boat crossings is a very difficult issue to sort out!
There is no simple solution to any of it and if you think Reform will be able to fix it you are deluded.

But keeping a man in prison who’s supposed to be in prison should be quite easy!

HedwigEliza · 24/10/2025 20:33

PeonyPatch · 24/10/2025 20:28

All men are a potential threat to women.

You’re so wedded to your ideological view of the world that in order not to appear racist or xenophobic, you’d prefer to ignore reality, data, statics, verifiable fact - and throw innocent women and children under the bus as collateral damage. That’s a sacrifice you apparently think is worth making.

PeonyPatch · 24/10/2025 20:34

You also have many white UK men such as Wayne Couzens who in my opinion poses much more of a threat to women and girls in this country as he was in a position of authority posing as on duty police.

BoredZelda · 24/10/2025 20:35

MissKitty0 · 24/10/2025 20:10

To people who want to naively pretend we’re all a blank slate and British people are as likely to commit sexual offences it’s just not true.

Ooh look, a pretty graph put together by “The Centre for Migration Control” an organisation who’s tag line is, “A think tank committed to controlling and dramatically reducing migration to Britain” Set up in 2024, seemingly by a man called Robert Bates, previously involved in a group called “Get Britain Out”

This graph is supposedly derived from a FOI request, but no request can be found that would provide this data. When you look at his “research” and how this graph was devised, it’s clear he has no idea how to analyse statistics and has skewed several different sets of data to come up with this scary looking graph.

There is no one set of data that gives this information, the figures are not recorded in a way that makes an extrapolation possible. So, the calculations are done using census data which is out of date, and historically, immigrant communities are less likely to respond to census questionnaires. Bates’ analysis uses figures which pre-date the rise of the Taliban in Afghanistan and this leads to a serious underestimate of the Afghan population in the U.K. as around 36k were brought here under government resettlement schemes.

These graphs are designed to be shared on social media, to whip up anti-immigrant rhetoric. Don’t fall for it.

HedwigEliza · 24/10/2025 20:35

rockstarshoes · 24/10/2025 20:33

Because the whole issue of stopping the boat crossings is a very difficult issue to sort out!
There is no simple solution to any of it and if you think Reform will be able to fix it you are deluded.

But keeping a man in prison who’s supposed to be in prison should be quite easy!

The problems are complex, the solutions are not.

PeonyPatch · 24/10/2025 20:35

HedwigEliza · 24/10/2025 20:33

You’re so wedded to your ideological view of the world that in order not to appear racist or xenophobic, you’d prefer to ignore reality, data, statics, verifiable fact - and throw innocent women and children under the bus as collateral damage. That’s a sacrifice you apparently think is worth making.

Feel free to continue making assumptions about a random user on Mumsnet whom you do not know anything about bar a few comments shared on a forum.

Zanzara · 24/10/2025 20:35

PeonyPatch · 24/10/2025 20:34

You also have many white UK men such as Wayne Couzens who in my opinion poses much more of a threat to women and girls in this country as he was in a position of authority posing as on duty police.

What-aboutery at its finest.

BlueJuniper94 · 24/10/2025 20:36

AmyDudley · 24/10/2025 18:23

They were men who committed crimes, the BBC doesn't actually have to say they are asylum seekers. Far more men who are not asylum seekers commit crimes against women every day. They aren't reported as 'man who a born and bred in UK commits crime'. why not ?

And David Lammy is hardly personally responsible for a mistale by a prison ( a prison system the tories had more than enough time to reform but did nothing about.)

Well they didn't accidently let Lucy Connolly out

PeonyPatch · 24/10/2025 20:37

HedwigEliza · 24/10/2025 20:30

Some men much more so than others, as we know, so we could do something about it if anyone had the gumption.

Like who?

rockstarshoes · 24/10/2025 20:37

HedwigEliza · 24/10/2025 20:35

The problems are complex, the solutions are not.

Please enlighten us?

HedwigEliza · 24/10/2025 20:37

PeonyPatch · 24/10/2025 20:35

Feel free to continue making assumptions about a random user on Mumsnet whom you do not know anything about bar a few comments shared on a forum.

How many deaths of innocent women is an acceptable price to pay, in your mind?

OnlyMabelInTheBuilding · 24/10/2025 20:37

PeonyPatch · 24/10/2025 20:28

All men are a potential threat to women.

If my grandmother had wheels, she would be a bicycle.

TheNuthatch · 24/10/2025 20:37

PeonyPatch · 24/10/2025 20:32

I am statistically more likely to be murdered by my husband or a male family member or friend known to me.

Does that mean I won’t get likely be targeted by a male asylum seeker? No, it does not.

The man who escaped that prison or was freed is a paedophile. You might be living next door to a UK paedophile.

I am NOT using the asylum seeker problem (which we do have in this country) as fuel against the violence against women and young girls epidemic we have. It is another risk, but it is a separate risk and it is a PART of the asylum seeker issue we are facing. It is not the only part of the issue or the reason to be anti asylum seekers.

Rubbish.
Its definitely a reason to be 'anti asylum seeker' because the vast majority of asylum seekers who arrive are young men, many from highly misogynistic countries. Its a ticking time bomb. How can you not see the threat here?

EasternStandard · 24/10/2025 20:37

HedwigEliza · 24/10/2025 20:35

The problems are complex, the solutions are not.

It’s not complex I agree.

PeonyPatch · 24/10/2025 20:38

Zanzara · 24/10/2025 20:35

What-aboutery at its finest.

True though, right? Just because you want to hate every single male asylum seeker, doesn’t mean I have to as well. I am weary of all men, because they all pose a threat to me to be honest.

Fluffyholeysocks · 24/10/2025 20:39

PeonyPatch · 24/10/2025 20:32

I am statistically more likely to be murdered by my husband or a male family member or friend known to me.

Does that mean I won’t get likely be targeted by a male asylum seeker? No, it does not.

The man who escaped that prison or was freed is a paedophile. You might be living next door to a UK paedophile.

I am NOT using the asylum seeker problem (which we do have in this country) as fuel against the violence against women and young girls epidemic we have. It is another risk, but it is a separate risk and it is a PART of the asylum seeker issue we are facing. It is not the only part of the issue or the reason to be anti asylum seekers.

How many sexual assaults/rapes and murders do you feel we should tolerate as part of this 'separate risk'?

LoveSundays · 24/10/2025 20:40

PeonyPatch · 24/10/2025 20:29

Would you like to share a bit more about why I am wrong? or would you just like to make accusations with no explanation or argument?

I mean I can only speak for myself but I'm happy to tell you you're wrong regarding your comment on xenophobia.

I'm white passing and half of 'my people' don't come from the UK. My concerns about what we're seeing now in this country are certainly not rooted in me being racist or xenophobic.

Don't you see how simplistic this point of view is? Stamping your feet & shouting racist at anyone who doesn't agree with your naive view of the world?
It's so dangerous and this is why Reform will get in at the first chance I reckon.

BoredZelda · 24/10/2025 20:40

HedwigEliza · 24/10/2025 20:33

You’re so wedded to your ideological view of the world that in order not to appear racist or xenophobic, you’d prefer to ignore reality, data, statics, verifiable fact - and throw innocent women and children under the bus as collateral damage. That’s a sacrifice you apparently think is worth making.

Hit me with your “verifiable facts”

FWIW, I’m not trying to appear anything. I’m just interested in why a group of people are so hell bent on protecting women, they are targeting a group who are only responsible for a very small percentage of violence against women. I’m trying to understand why the other 95% of violence against women isn’t leading to the same outpouring of rage, venom, anger, insistence that something must be done? It’s like trying to stop your roof leaking by replacing a single tile, when the massive hole in the roof remains uncovered. What is it about this one group that is causing so many people to act to protect women from them?

MyLimeGuide · 24/10/2025 20:40

Dockerty · 24/10/2025 18:40

And to those who say this isn’t the governments fault - if this twat had been detained immediately on arrival - as he should have been - the woman and girl involved would never have been harmed in the first place.

Immediately detain and deport on ALL people entering this country illegally.

You're not allowed to say that on mumsnet. They are not illegal (according to mumsnet)

PippyGreen · 24/10/2025 20:41

BoredZelda · 24/10/2025 20:12

No, all it’s saying is, if we are so concerned about violence against women, how come we aren’t making the same amount of noise about our homegrown problem? How come people are demanding something is done about this group of men but aren’t protesting outside bars, and schools, and nightclubs, and churches and… every other place women and girls are regularly assaulted?

Here’s another thought. Look at the demographics of the Sarah Everard vigil, v the Epping Forest protest. Both groups claim it’s about violence against women, but how one was largely attended by women, and the other largely not.

Find any social media post about women being assaulted and look at the comments, then find one about a woman being attacked by an immigrant and see the difference. The first will have a plethora of men victim blaming, saying how you can’t do anything these days, PC gone mad etc, the second will claim we have to send these guys back to protect our women and girls.

Why, all of a sudden, do we have so many men coming out and defending women, decrying violence against women, saying something must be done?

I’m fucking fed up of the argument too, because it is so bloody transparent and anyone who still thinks this has anything to do with women is either being fooled by the self interest groups whipping up this argument or are fooling themselves about where they really stand on this issue.

But no ones stopping you from protesting outside nightclubs, churches and schools. Go for it and raise awareness if you feel this would help. But in the same vein, sexual and violent offences are also being committed by asylum seekers, so you'd be equally as likely to protest outside these hotels, no?

WildLimePoet · 24/10/2025 20:41

BoredZelda · 24/10/2025 19:55

You think it makes any difference at all to the victim? I doubt his status is high on her list of things to be thinking about.

Is it like Schrodinger’s asylum seeker? Maybe he’s here, maybe he’s not. The girl gets assaulted anyway.

Just stop.

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Zanzara · 24/10/2025 20:41

HedwigEliza · 24/10/2025 20:37

How many deaths of innocent women is an acceptable price to pay, in your mind?

Any number I imagine. Throwing other women under a hellish bus is as naught in the quest for virtue signalling Nirvana.

HedwigEliza · 24/10/2025 20:42

PeonyPatch · 24/10/2025 20:37

Like who?

Obviously not Labour. The huge numbers of asylum seekers from misogynistic societies cannot integrate successfully into this country and abide by our cultural values; although Labour offer platitudes like diversity being our strength and preaching tolerance, they cannot square that circle.

rriffraff · 24/10/2025 20:42

The asylum seeker is from Ethiopia where violence against women is endemic:

Wiki women in Ethiopia

Female Genital Mutilation -As of 2005, 74.3% of women aged 15 – 49 years had undergone FGM) 25 million girls and women.

A school-age girl is not allowed to attend school, with the excuse that she may be raped, abducted or harmed on the way to school.

Bride kidnapping (when a man or boy abducts the girl he wishes to marry) is practiced by certain communities in Ethiopia, mainly in the Southern Nations, (SNNPR). According to surveys conducted in 2003 by the National Committee on Traditional Practices in Ethiopia, the custom's prevalence rate in the SNNPR was estimated at 92 percent.[26]

An UN analysis of several international studies suggests that domestic violence against women is most prevalent in Ethiopia.[12]' Ethiopian women were most abused'.

Sexual violence is also reportedly common.[13][14] Bekele AB, van Aken MA, Dubas JS (2011). "Sexual violence victimization among female secondary school students in eastern Ethiopia"

Ethiopia has a high number of arranged marriages at young ages.

The Conflict in Tigray (northern Ethiopia):
"It’s clear that rape and sexual violence have been used as a weapon of war to inflict lasting physical and psychological damage on women and girls in Tigray".[19] From February to April 2021, medical facilities in Tigray recorded 1,288 instances of gender-based violence. 376 instances of rape were reported at Adigrat Hospital between the start of the conflict and June 9, 2021.The TPLF soldiers are the ones raping these innocent women and children. There have been many instances of gang rape where women are beaten and raped throughout several days. A 21-year-old Bademe resident named Blen said that on November 5, 2020, she was kidnapped by soldiers from Eritrea and Ethiopia and held captive for 40 days together with an estimated 30 other women." They raped us and starved us. They were too many who raped us in rounds. We were around 30 women they took… All of us were raped".[20] One woman said that she had been gang-raped in front of her kids.

Julen7 · 24/10/2025 20:42

MyLimeGuide · 24/10/2025 20:40

You're not allowed to say that on mumsnet. They are not illegal (according to mumsnet)

God no, in a moment we will get the A-Z of “not illegals” thrown at us.

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