Another day, another clown show - Epping asylum seeker and rapist released from Prison ‘by mistake’

[WildLimePoet]

You literally couldn’t make this shit up.

This country is broken.

Reform should send David Lamey a big thankyou note for this gift.

How do you think the asylum system should be managed? Do you think the current system is actually benefitting the truly vulnerable? I honestly don't. And I don't think an asylum system should be about giving random young men the opportunity to find better lives. Frankly, if a young man is healthy and wealthy enough to make it to the UK, everyone (except him) would be better off if he stayed in his home country and worked to improve it. As I've said previously, I feel differently about the truly vulnerable. But these men are not that.

I think we need proper, legal routes into this country.

If you cannot meet demand then under international law people can arrive at the border and ask to be processed. Unless you decide to ignore those laws.

People do not realise the effect that importing people from countries with backwards ideals can have. I’ve worked on a mental health word with very vulnerable people, many of which had autism and needed specialist care. Many of the patients were assigned nurses who had come over from Africa on caring visas and I heard endless comments from them about how they don’t believe in autism and don’t believe it’s a thing, they think the patients are just crazy and therefore give them no dignity. I saw these male nurses actively abusing and bullying patients. One of them tried to stop the weekly animal therapy session that really benefited the patients because they personally did not like animals and thought it was unhygienic. I reported all of this it but was ignored.

As I've said, the only acceptable number is zero. Why would I find any number of rapes acceptable?
Asylum seekers and refugees are more likely to be victims of crime than to commit crime. Vastly so.

Well it’s not zero with the system we have. And you can’t do the application from o/s without leaving the convention.

If you want a better system look to countries who have stopped the flow of unvetted people.

Are they? Could you point to all the recent cases of asylum seekers being raped and murdered?

That's true.
This is an incredibly complex problem with no easy answers, but wouldn't this be a step in the right direction?

I am so sorry you went through that. I do agree some people just aren’t affected by this. Tbh I wasn’t until this summer. I have no idea what’s happened as we have had asylum hotels here since 2020 covid and very few issues (more minor antisocial behaviour than sexual assaults).

In the last 3 months we have one man roaming up and down my street grabbing multiple women, groping them and trying to drag them into bushes. This went on all day and he even tried to take a 10 year old boy by the hand from the park. We also had the gang rape of a 12 year old. Another man who was loitering round the woods and kept trying to approach groups of children playing with a knife out. We also had last week a man grab a women from behind in a park with a knife and drag her but thankfully the dog returned and got scared off. Same again happened on a country lane nearby. All these events are either confirmed asylum seekers from addresses at know migrant hotels or people with foreign accents bad or no English suspected of being asylum seekers or migrants.

Why are we all of a sudden seeing such awful behaviour! I thought perhaps it was the summer (as it was hot and light and more sexual assaults are committed then just due to opportunity). But the recent dog walker ones are making me think is this a pattern?! Only time will tell sadly.

But no this is not acceptable.

If I smoke, it increases my cancer risk. They go hand in hand. So I choose not to smoke.

I don't continue to smoke whilst proclaiming that no amount of cancer is acceptable. That would be a stupid way to go.

One statistic has no bearing on the other though so it’s a moot point.

It's the same in France. Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Spain, Ireland and the entire UK.
Why it isn't being addressed.
The squatting laws in Spain have had to be amended as holiday homes were being taken over.
The Spanish Islands are hugely impacted, the heavy flow of boats into Greece and Italy.

I know, it’s horrendous. The UK has gone off the deep end recently, I’m ashamed. A couple of my lovely Polish friends are moving home next year for a better life and I don’t blame them. We spent time in my partners ‘poor’ Eastern European country the other month and I found myself thinking how lovely, clean and safe it felt compared to the UK!

Bijan Ebrahimi, an Iranian refugee living in Bristol, was murdered in July 2013. He had been subjected to racial abuse and threats for years.

In May 2023, 16-year-old Afghan refugee Rishmeet Singh was murdered in London.

But people die of cancer anyway, no matter how healthy they are. It is impossible to eliminate all risk.

And it wasnt working under 14 years of tory rule but is now labours fault 🤔

Sadly Starmer being a human rights lawyer is not going to sort this either... 🤬

But I would never vote a far right party in. That's how Nazi Germany started...

Genius. In that case I'm off to the shop for 20 fags! Do you want some?

Do you understand statistics? Two murders of asylum seekers in twelve years is terrible (I notice you haven't mentioned any rapes). Now read all the recent stories of rapes and murders by asylum seekers. If you do understand statistics, you'll see why people might be concerned.

Quite, i lived in a country for a bit where homosexuality results in a prison sentence etc etc. I didn’t suddenly adopt all the values of my host country. I did of course follow all the laws etc. the idea that just moving somewhere else suddenly changes your deeply held beliefs about women, homosexuality, religious freedom etc etc is bollocks. Your perspective may shift a bit but you don’t tend to do a 180.

I got raped once. Is it unreasonable for me to not want to be raped again? It really would be quite shit for it to happen again. The lower the chance the better. If 1 in 100 males in my area are rapists, that is unsettling. If 2 in 100 males in my area are rapists, I have double the chance of being raped, which is, of course, even worse.

Nobody is denying that we have our own rapists in Britain, but if you’re acknowledging that that’s a problem, why the hell would you be okay with importing EVEN MORE of them? We’ll never be able to convict all of the new ones, let alone the native ones!

Of course you can't eliminate all risk. But you can eliminate avoidable risk. Allowing unvetted young men to live in hotels with zero oversight is an avoidable risk.

I remember years ago watching a news story interviewing immigrants in norway from Eritrea about their reactions to new ‘anti-rape classes’ ‘ they had to attend as part of asylum process.

It always stuck out to me the views of one young man saying “how different it was than back home, where if you liked a girl you could just take her”. He accepted most things though about consent however he still did not understand how a man could be punished for raping his own wife 🤷‍♀️

I’ve encountered medical students from this country who refused to have women help with training, and treated them with utter contempt. Anyway, I digress. These are the attitudes we are importing from these 3rd world countries like this one.

I used to walk around Glasgow with my friends aged 14-15, but there is no way on earth I’d let my DD do that once she’s that age, thank fuck she’s only 5. It is changing our society and culture here, and not for the better. Women have enough abuse from home grown men - and yes we are becoming more vocal about it - sarah everidge springs to mind- but we don’t need to add to it. In Falkirk, sexual assault of teens has greatly increased due to these asylum hotels, it’s not people being racist or something to be ignored since local men do it to.

We have talked about it too! It seems the trajectory is down and moving really fast. That would be ironic wouldn’t it. If we have to take asylum because our own country is so dangerous and unstable. And where would we go!? Nightmare

Number 2. Scotland

400 crimes by asylum seekers in Greater Glasgow alone in 2021.

I can’t find more recent data.