Another day, another clown show - Epping asylum seeker and rapist released from Prison ‘by mistake’

[WildLimePoet]

You literally couldn’t make this shit up.

This country is broken.

Reform should send David Lamey a big thankyou note for this gift.

Totally agree. The system we have now isn't working for anyone.

I don't know so much. Immigration under the Tories was off the scale and those people love cheap labour and their friends' companies turning everywhere into HMOs and migrant hotels.

More men in this country don’t commit crime than do. I know plenty of lovely men. I don’t get offended though on their behalf when people point out that of the 98% sexual and violent crimes that do occur, they are committed by men. They are the more problematic sex class. Add into this the added potential problem of those from cultures with vastly different values and attitudes towards women.

Why does this bother you to point this out and why are you offended on their behalf. Because you know a few nice ones?

I agree, I'd take every girl and woman from Afghanistan, if it was possible.

If you weren't blaming asylum seekers for your woes
You'd probably be blaming northeners, Scots, the Irish etc
In the 50s it was the Blacks and Irish (and the dogs of course)
So yeah u gotta 'other' people and you always need to feel like if it weren't for that and that life would've been just dandy.
What a miserable lot

The system isn’t worth it. There’s no point in ‘deporting’ after a horrendous crime. It doesn’t bring Rhiannon back.

Close it down and if totally necessary vet properly if people really want a small amount of asylum seekers here. I don’t mind if we do or don’t. I know this current system isn’t working.

It doesn't bother me at all when people point out that this man was an asylum seekers, that's a fact.
It bothers me when people try to extrapolate this to suggest that all asylum seekers are a risk - they aren't.
I disagree with those that say because of this horrendous crime, the UK should refuse all those claiming asylum.
That's all.

I blame an asylum seeker for Rhiannon"s murder. Am I wrong??

I beg to differ. Where do you get that information? The government don’t want the crimes committed by these lone men to be reported in the media. They want us to shut up and put up. The ones reported are just the tip of the iceberg. Labour don’t want to stem the tide, it’s not who they are. The majority of the back benchers are very much in favour of allowing them in, which shows in the wishy washy way Starmer is trying to sort out the situation - ie the rushed through, but not thought through, process of one in one out. And they criticised the Rwanda scheme - but Labour’s attempt at resolution is total BS. A small token attempt to pacify the masses.

It isn’t irrelevant

the issue with so many men entering the UK as asylum seekers we have no idea of their background, who is a sex offender, who has a criminal

How can you check who will commit a horrendous crime like the one Rhiannon suffered?

Currently you can’t.

Wasn’t he sentenced to a year in September? So I don’t understand why we would even be deporting a dangerous sexual predator who hasn’t even served his sentence? Should he be free to commit this type of crime, just somewhere else? Do those women and girls not matter? He should serve his time and only be sent overseas if it’s to complete his sentence. The whole point of prison is to protect the public.

It’s a safeguarding issue. It’s like how not all men are a risk to women but single sex provisions exist. Unchecked males from cultures with values that don’t align when it comes to women, flags massive safeguarding issues. It’s naive (understatement) to think it doesn’t.

the reason for Rhiannon’s family’s woes is an asylum seeker, and the reason for the girl in Epping’s woes is an asylum seeker (who this whole thread is about)

Your whataboutery doesn’t work.

Have you listened to Rhiannon’s case and how her five year old was told? Nothing to that?

I mean you could, they just don’t want to because this way made more money. Let people apply from overseas, come in, vetted, by a safe route, cleared and permitted to work and pay their way. So much safer, more humane and dignified, and better for the taxpayer. Less good for those who would like to make a profit from the taxpayer, or are getting political capital out of it though.

Look, we don’t misunderstand your belief. We just don’t agree with you. Even if one is bad and 99.99999999% are good… it’s not worth the 0.0000001%!

The fact most are good is irrelevant. The fact that it’s possible one or most is not good, is enough to say no to them all.

That's not the argument I made though.
There is no evidence that refugees and asylum seekers commit more crime than anyone else, therefore I don't think that we should refuse to accept all asylum seekers because of this crime.

But you don’t know that about any man until they get caught.
The danger is men of all colours.
Im far more likely to be killed by my husband than an asylum seeker in the street.

Quite a lot, it seems.

And you absolutely don't have to agree with me.
I don't agree with you. I don't think there is much else to discuss.

It's bad enough without you exaggerating, there was no rape in Epping.

Well that’s not much comfort to Rhiannon’s family and young dc

@sunshinestar1986 before you dismiss @PreciousTatas post, please do read this previous post of hers, and consider that she might actually have a perspective that you could learn from.

@CorneliaCupp

So if we could prove that asylum seekers committed more crime and in particular more violent crime, then you’d be happy to agree that we should vet more carefully or perhaps not accept at all?