Another day, another clown show - Epping asylum seeker and rapist released from Prison ‘by mistake’

[WildLimePoet]

You literally couldn’t make this shit up.

This country is broken.

Reform should send David Lamey a big thankyou note for this gift.

I hate the but white British men argument. Yeah we know there are a lot of shitty men but they were born here unfortunately we cannot stop them entering or just deport them. Sadly. We do need to lock them up so we should build more prisons frankly and they shouldn’t be allowed cosy with Xbox and shit either. Rehabilitation just doesn’t work as well as people like to believe even petty thief’s tend to be straight back doing it once out, and that’s when they have done enough for the police to bother arresting them. Let alone wife beaters and rapist.

But women and children must clearly also be sacrificed to the asylum seeking men who are running away from well clearly themselves when they come over claiming for safety and then go on to sexually assault harass and murder innocent women and children. Why are these men with no checks really just allowed to wonder around freely why are these men not kept in detention centres till their cases are fully heard…

But we are not allowed to voice opinions on that are we. The very men running for fear are the very men inciting fear in another country.

Bring over the women and children and the men can fight themselves leaving women and children safe from the violence they inflict.

One day, surely, someone will put a stop to the UK being a big old charity case. We can only hope. Probably too far gone now.

No, but I was responding to the original question :)

Brilliant, we finally agree on something. Any improvement is an improvement, even one single victim being spared is an achievement.

None 👏 of 👏 them 👏 are 👏 worth 👏 the 👏 risk 👏 of 👏 one 👏 single 👏 woman

The less time the authorities have to spend investigating the issues of the 5% (if that’s all it is) the more they can spend on the rest we have here. Good news all round for women.

This is absolutely unbelievable. People actually think that UK is doing a global service by putting their own women at risk. So what if a British woman is raped by an asylum seeker, he might actually get jailed. Whereas if he raped elsewhere, he’d get away with it. So we must open our borders.

This is beyond batshit crazy. What is going on.

No you countered with some argument about Reform. @TheNuthatchis right, there isn’t a system that checks. Pre Brexit or for other countries still in.

I think you misunderstood my analogy.

But, are you suggesting nothing can be done about male violence against women. Nothing?

Quite the opposite. Plenty can be done about it. Stop illegal immigration. That’s something.

As you're seeing this is where some try to blame Brexit, easternstandard, conveniently ignoring the point that records could never have been checked if they didn't exist, or if the subject's changed identities

Nope. We don’t agree at all. Not one bit. You will never convince me that ignoring 95% of violence against women is ok, because we got rid of 5%.

No woman is going to say “well, I know I was raped, but at least it wasn’t by an asylum seeker, I’m so glad people focussed on that small group and let the others just have a pass because it was just too difficult”

What a ridiculous sentiment.

You're absolutely free to report a thread where women discuss their concerns and despair over the current situation, where their safety is given no value. It would be an odd thing to do for someone who claims to care about VAWG, but it's up to you. But I don't see any hatred, I do see desperate flailing by you as you have no actual arguments to counter people's comments, and have no recourse other than to go for insults.

Surely these women are joking now?? I've never heard anything so absolutely ridiculous 🙄

Maybe every British woman should line up to be raped? I mean that's only fair really. We should all do our bit.

After due consideration, I decided @Kendodd was being sarcastic. ??

It’s easy to see there’s no system outside the EU. It’s why there are also horrific crimes in EU countries of a similar nature.

Eg the Taliban don’t share information, it’s not asked for and they probably don’t even have it.

Of course these accompanied men are more likely to be problematic than the population as a whole, especially if they come from countries that are generally safe and not war torn in the first place and are therefore likely motivated by economics to move.

Firstly, because there is something to be gained for them from fleeing their home country if they are criminals - most will not be criminals, but many criminals will emigrate to chance their arm in a country, whether or not the U.K. Secondly, if they come from misogynistic countries and have no desire to adapt, that’s an issue. Lastly, because so many of them lack the education or means to get a visa or better themselves in other ways other than to get a boat so they are not like the consultant from Sudan that was mentioned earlier on the thread.

I can't actually believe some women could make that point. Utterly ridiculous.

Ah so you are trying to silence any fears people have.
Whataboutery didn’t work for you so you want to report it.
As I thought.

So what systems did we have access too pre-brexit that would have stopped a rapist coming from Afganistan?
If the taliban don't keep records (or care) about sexual assaults, where is the information going to come from?

Makes you wonder what these people’s motives are. Can’t be anything good.

Who is ignoring it?

You're conflating two different issues. No one is ignoring the 95% - who has said we should do that? Why can't both be addressed, it's not one or the other?

Well, this is not what I was saying, but again, this kind of defection attempt won’t work any more. You’ve completely ignored my last sentence as it doesn’t fit with your view.

Any reduction against VAWG is good. One case, one girl, that’s an achievement.

Your argument is finished, I’ve really been gladdened by this responses on this thread, the tide really has turned. As a resident of a town who felt a tipping point was reached, I’m surprised but reassured we are finally moving in the right directions, even if our horrendous government are not.

You don’t need to tell women violence doesn’t matter, we still don’t want to ignore the impact of the asylum system on women and girls. I don’t know why you would

@BoredZeldathe Guy who killed Rhiannon with a screwdriver abandoned his pregnant wife in Sudan in order to try to claim asylum in 3 EU countries.

It appears to be only on Mumsnet that people
can’t care about or address more than one issue, at the same time.